Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby pacino » Tue Feb 07, 2017 16:57:59

td11 wrote:DeVos nomination brough about record activism in american history, yet only 2 GOP senators were swayed. pat toomey's office was flooded with calls and he basically said "#$!&@ you" to his constituents

about a week back he said he wasn't sure what people were protesting about


fwiw, the York Daily Record wrote an editorial stating he should've recused himself; they foolishly endorsed the guy this past election because it's a very conservative area and paper because they wanted to drain that swamp:

President Trump (who has also said that as a political donor he expected something in return from recipients: “When I call, they kiss my ass,” he said at a campaign rally last year) promised to “drain the swamp.”

This is not a good start.

And Sen. Toomey, whose race against Katie McGinty last year was the most expensive in Senate history, is indebted to many donors who no doubt will expect a return on investment.

This was supposed to be a populist victory for the forgotten little guy. So far, it’s not looking like that.

you got conned, York
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby traderdave » Tue Feb 07, 2017 17:15:03

I wish I lived in PA so I could vote against Toomey when he is up for re-election. My brother is over there now; I'll make sure he does the right thing in six years.

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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby drsmooth » Tue Feb 07, 2017 17:24:22

I mean of course

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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby td11 » Tue Feb 07, 2017 17:32:46

https://www.aclu.org/blog/speak-freely/ ... -work-aclu

I was coming back from the island nation of Dominica, where I had gone for meetings and depositions in our torture victim clients’ lawsuit against the two psychologists behind the CIA torture program. When I went through immigration while in transit at the airport in Puerto Rico, it seems like an immediate red flag went up. A CBP officer took me to a separate area, behind the luggage carousels.

The CBP questioning didn’t seem to have anything to do with the torture case. Instead, it focused on my work for the ACLU and my citizenship — Pakistani — although I’ve been a longtime legal permanent resident of the United States for more than a decade.

What was I doing in Dominica? I explained that I am a lawyer working for the American Civil Liberties Union and traveled there for a case. Why, asked the CBP agent holding my Pakistani passport, would someone working for an organization with “American” in its name have “this” passport? And why would someone working for an organization with “American” in its name be representing people who are not citizens? (Perhaps the agent had not heard about ACLU lawsuits challenging the Muslim ban on behalf of noncitizens.)

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I explained that I am a U.S.-trained lawyer, sworn to uphold the U.S. Constitution, which is what I work to do. Still, he pressed. Why would someone working for this organization with “American” in its name and a focus on the Constitution travel abroad so much? I explained that in addition to client work, I travel for conferences, talks, and meetings, including at the United Nations in Geneva.

The agent pressed. Did my meetings and talks abroad focus on U.S. law or the law of other countries? Not understanding what any of this had to do with my ability to return home, I found myself explaining that in addition to the Constitution, the United States is bound by international treaties. I explained that there are fundamental human rights that belong to everyone and apply in all countries in the world, including the United States, and that my work covers both.


it's scary that thousands of CBP officials were immediately ready to enforce this vague and unconstitutional EO. there was no guidance or training on what it entailed, but these meatheads at CBP were ready at the drop of a hat to start violating brown peoples' rights
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby pacino » Tue Feb 07, 2017 17:43:24

DAPL just approved.
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby pacino » Tue Feb 07, 2017 17:45:06

Pakistan isn't on the banned list. Flying while brown.
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby drsmooth » Tue Feb 07, 2017 18:21:00

gonna get real sick of listening to Young Ben Sasse! practice presidential campaign stump speeches every time somebody shoves a mic under his nose
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Tue Feb 07, 2017 18:28:25

I'd give my left nut for an up and coming liberal in the vein of Sasse.
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby traderdave » Tue Feb 07, 2017 18:54:32

Campaign Contributions To Senators By The DeVos Family
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Wow; Cotton, Hatch and Inhofe sure are cheap. This chart makes Senator Murkowski's bravery even more evident.

The source article is old news now though.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bet ... 284f251c5f

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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby drsmooth » Tue Feb 07, 2017 19:13:51

The Nightman Cometh wrote:I'd give my left nut for an up and coming liberal in the vein of Sasse.


He's Bob Roberts without the guitar
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Feb 07, 2017 19:26:03

traderdave wrote:Campaign Contributions To Senators By The DeVos Family
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Wow; Cotton, Hatch and Inhofe sure are cheap. This chart makes Senator Murkowski's bravery even more evident.

The source article is old news now though.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bet ... 284f251c5f


So sickening.
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Feb 07, 2017 19:26:16

It's interesting to me how salient the DeVos confirmation is. It doesn't really seem much worse than a number of other of Trump's appointees. For instance, Pruitt I think is poised to do a lot more damage to the environment than DeVos can do to public education. I suppose some of it might be DeVos was clearly incompetent in her hearings, and maybe the fact that we're in week 3 and the whole "give him a chance" chorus has been exposed for being patently ridiculous.

I think one thing it reflects that though there is big money behind various flavors of school choice (not just DeVos, but Walton and Gates among others) and that's been driving much of the debate, when it come down to it, people really like their public schools.

Now, you'd think they'd like clean drinking water and breathable air, but I guess people don't make the same connection between the EPA and the air they breath as they do the Dept of Education and their public schools. Pity. I guess also the whole climate change thing is removed from our day to day experience in a way that schools are not.
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby drsmooth » Tue Feb 07, 2017 19:26:48

Listening to the appeals court " broadcast" (good old-timey radio format)

I am not a lawyer, but it doesn't sound to me like the drumpfco administration is persuading anyone on the standing challenge (pretty sure I heard actual snickering)
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby td11 » Tue Feb 07, 2017 19:40:55

drsmooth wrote:Listening to the appeals court " broadcast" (good old-timey radio format)

I am not a lawyer, but it doesn't sound to me like the drumpfco administration is persuading anyone on the standing challenge (pretty sure I heard actual snickering)

Court grilling state dept lawyer p good now too, though. I like the lady judge
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby traderdave » Tue Feb 07, 2017 19:43:50

TenuredVulture wrote:It's interesting to me how salient the DeVos confirmation is. It doesn't really seem much worse than a number of other of Trump's appointees. For instance, Pruitt I think is poised to do a lot more damage to the environment than DeVos can do to public education. I suppose some of it might be DeVos was clearly incompetent in her hearings, and maybe the fact that we're in week 3 and the whole "give him a chance" chorus has been exposed for being patently ridiculous.

I think one thing it reflects that though there is big money behind various flavors of school choice (not just DeVos, but Walton and Gates among others) and that's been driving much of the debate, when it come down to it, people really like their public schools.

Now, you'd think they'd like clean drinking water and breathable air, but I guess people don't make the same connection between the EPA and the air they breath as they do the Dept of Education and their public schools. Pity. I guess also the whole climate change thing is removed from our day to day experience in a way that schools are not.


I hear you loud and clear, TV. I guess the DeVos situation is of special interest to me as a former BOE member. I could be way off on this but I think another major reason why people focused do much on DeVos (besides her utter lack of experience in education, her family's $200 million in contributions, her incredibly bad performance in her hearing, etc.) is that she looked to be the cabinet nominee that appeared to be most vulnerable. I am not nearly as in the know as most here but I do not get the feeling that any other nominee has a legitimate chance of going down. I agree that Pruitt is likely to be a disaster; both literally and figuratively.

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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby drsmooth » Tue Feb 07, 2017 19:48:37

td11 wrote:Court grilling state dept lawyer p good now too, though.



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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby td11 » Tue Feb 07, 2017 19:54:50

drsmooth wrote:
td11 wrote:Court grilling state dept lawyer p good now too, though.



true

Damn the one judge killed him on the "evidence/allegations" thing. Kinda disappointed this guy seems to be stumbling a bit
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby drsmooth » Tue Feb 07, 2017 20:00:04

Listening to this jousting confirms for me that I have pretty darn close to zero feel for what is referred to in some quarters as "legal reasoning" (a phrase I place in the same category, in my admitted ignorance, as military intelligence)
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby slugsrbad » Tue Feb 07, 2017 20:00:39

Richmond has more direct experience, but this is the point of the oral hearing. They're going to beat the shit out of both arguments, look at the briefs by both parties (and the many amici briefs), and make a decision. The 9th is pretty liberal, so I think the ruling will be in the favor of the states going up to the Supreme Court, but it is still unclear how they'll treat the specific issues. The one judge seems to not buy the Establishment Clause argument.
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby drsmooth » Tue Feb 07, 2017 20:03:30

td11 wrote:
drsmooth wrote:
td11 wrote:Court grilling state dept lawyer p good now too, though.


true

Damn the one judge killed him on the "evidence/allegations" thing. Kinda disappointed this guy seems to be stumbling a bit


stumbled, yes, & felt like judges sort of came to his aid



on demeanor the drumpfco shyster was all kinds of jittery out of the gate, with the states guy seeming more composed, with the exception of that stumbly bit. does that count for anything? Feels like it shouldn't
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