pacino wrote:The Greenwaldians are currently agreeing w Trump about the US being killers equal to Putin and also attacking democrats for being upset with the answer. Typical neoliberals.

TenuredVulture wrote:

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pacino wrote:Gee whiz wonder how that happened

Well for starters, at some point recently, the far left decided if they disagree with someone the answer is to riot, destroy property, attack and injure people and create anarchy. Mind you this is simply for disagreeing with a person's political views.

Something really bad is going to happen soon. You can see it coming.

You don't see the reaction of liberals as a mirror reflection of the tea party? There are quite a few similarities... Anger, protesting against divergent values, a few bad actors, and not a ton of understanding of their opponents.

I would disagree with at least some of this--I think many, if not most protestors on the left understand their opponents quite well.

You can look at the posts in this thread for broad generizations about the goals of the GOP, motivations of Trump supporters, etc that are far from accurate.

Maybe we can tackle a few - have an example?

TenuredVulture wrote:Really its pretty clear at this poinf that the republicans want to destroy the republic and install a Putin like regime here.

Has a single Republican member of Congress called for Bannon's resignation? What are they waiting for? I don't mean that rhetorically by the way. Bannon has made no secret he opposes liberal democracy, the principles this country was founded upon.

pacino wrote:Last warning here, folks. Stop with personal insults towards other posters.

Werthless wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:

Werthless wrote:

Warszawa wrote:

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TenuredVulture wrote:

Werthless wrote:

Brantt wrote:

pacino wrote:Gee whiz wonder how that happened

Well for starters, at some point recently, the far left decided if they disagree with someone the answer is to riot, destroy property, attack and injure people and create anarchy. Mind you this is simply for disagreeing with a person's political views.

Something really bad is going to happen soon. You can see it coming.

You don't see the reaction of liberals as a mirror reflection of the tea party? There are quite a few similarities... Anger, protesting against divergent values, a few bad actors, and not a ton of understanding of their opponents.

I would disagree with at least some of this--I think many, if not most protestors on the left understand their opponents quite well.

You can look at the posts in this thread for broad generizations about the goals of the GOP, motivations of Trump supporters, etc that are far from accurate.

Maybe we can tackle a few - have an example?

TenuredVulture wrote:Really its pretty clear at this poinf that the republicans want to destroy the republic and install a Putin like regime here.

Has a single Republican member of Congress called for Bannon's resignation? What are they waiting for? I don't mean that rhetorically by the way. Bannon has made no secret he opposes liberal democracy, the principles this country was founded upon.

I recommend rereading the Art of War. Battles will be lost, but it's critical that the war over the future of the Republican party must be won. Rash action will not help. Spending your political capital on calling for the resignation of his advisors is questionable, in my opinion. Too early to conclude that everyone silent is asshat who hate America, which is the sense that I'm getting reading through this thread. Let's see how the ACA is handled, for instance.

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pacino wrote:Last warning here, folks. Stop with personal insults towards other posters.

If this is directed at me in part I am not intending the insults to be personal, and I take a lot of incoming flak in this thread that I know is largely deserved and probably can be annoying to moderate. I don't find anything said currently being too personal.

I made the remark because I think that Monkeyboy tends to be crazy in his predictions/reasoning when he posits the motivations of most GOP actions he thinks are bad. He tends to predict whatever act is some real cloak and dagger thing to protect XYZ which is truly heinous. Or ascribe really nefarious and tricky motives to straightforward things. He might be more right big picture than I am politics wise in some folks' opinion, but I think more or less his specific theories are usually really effing weird. There are people I feud with more frequently whose perceptions of the GOP are more grounded in reality. So when it was mentioned some people here might say things missing the boat on the GOP or Trump, he was the first person to come to mind.

TenuredVulture wrote:the Republican party is aiming to create something like a Russian kleptocracy here in the US. Party leaders and elected officials I think have mostly made the calculation that they stand to personally benefit if they succeed, and have decided to go along for the ride. The fact that as far as I know not a single Republican has called for Bannon's resignation or removal is all the evidence I need.

TomatoPie wrote:I wouldn't doubt that Bannon and his inner circle may have something like that in mind. Trump is too dumb to even imagine it.

And while there is nothing - at all - to admire about the current crop of "Republicans" in congress, I don't think most of them are klepto-schemers. They are simply craven cowards, willing to go along with every idiotic Trump move in the hopes that they can get some pet legislation done, or in the hopes of appeasing the morons who voted for Trump.

thephan wrote:

Nailed it!

Werthless wrote: Let's see how the ACA is handled, for instance.

jerseyhoya wrote:

pacino wrote:Last warning here, folks. Stop with personal insults towards other posters.

If this is directed at me in part I am not intending the insults to be personal, and I take a lot of incoming flak in this thread that I know is largely deserved and probably can be annoying to moderate. I don't find anything said currently being too personal.

I made the remark because I think that Monkeyboy tends to be crazy in his predictions/reasoning when he posits the motivations of most GOP actions he thinks are bad. He tends to predict whatever act is some real cloak and dagger thing to protect XYZ which is truly heinous. Or ascribe really nefarious and tricky motives to straightforward things. He might be more right big picture than I am politics wise in some folks' opinion, but I think more or less his specific theories are usually really effing weird. There are people I feud with more frequently whose perceptions of the GOP are more grounded in reality. So when it was mentioned some people here might say things missing the boat on the GOP or Trump, he was the first person to come to mind.

JFLNYC wrote:So the so-called appellate judges at the 9th Circuit have refused to keep the country safe and are letting in all the bad hombres.