You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Thread

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Postby pacino » Sun Jan 29, 2017 21:49:56

the Kochs have come out against the ban...follow the money, folks
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Jan 29, 2017 22:00:49

pacino wrote:hey, i told someone to fuck off on FB for the first time in a while

Had my Trumpy aunt call CNN fake news on my brief whine about it. Reminded why I try to avoid politics on Facebook.

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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby pacino » Sun Jan 29, 2017 22:03:04

jerseyhoya wrote:
pacino wrote:hey, i told someone to #$!&@ off on FB for the first time in a while

Had my Trumpy aunt call CNN fake news on my brief whine about it. Reminded why I try to avoid politics on Facebook.

was surprised when is saw you put up something political on FB. i enjoyed it, fwiw.
i mean, i was responding to a guy that thinks al baghdadi is dead because he heard it on fox news.
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby Youseff » Sun Jan 29, 2017 22:04:52

pacino wrote:he told us

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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby Youseff » Sun Jan 29, 2017 22:06:29

jerseyhoya wrote:
pacino wrote:hey, i told someone to fuck off on FB for the first time in a while

Had my Trumpy aunt call CNN fake news on my brief whine about it. Reminded why I try to avoid politics on Facebook.


I hate being in a position to have to defend CNN. I don't particularly care for them, but I think there are plenty of decent journalists that work for them, and I certainly don't think a wholesale dismissal of 99% of the press is helpful.
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby pacino » Sun Jan 29, 2017 22:08:13

Youseff wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
pacino wrote:hey, i told someone to #$!&@ off on FB for the first time in a while

Had my Trumpy aunt call CNN fake news on my brief whine about it. Reminded why I try to avoid politics on Facebook.


I hate being in a position to have to defend CNN. I don't particularly care for them, but I think there are plenty of decent journalists that work for them, and I certainly don't think a wholesale dismissal of 99% of the press is helpful.

same. i never watch it but i still listen to christian amanpour's podcast (her show in podcast form) and fareed zakaria's show. they're not 100% great but they live in the fact-based world and don't engage in the both sides meme.

msnbc is crap now too except for maddow, hayes and joy reid's panel show where she gets interesting voices(she probably carries more water than you'd like, fwiw). other than that i don't bother with any cable news.
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Jan 29, 2017 22:09:09

pacino wrote:the Kochs have come out against the ban...follow the money, folks

They're going to be interesting with Trump. They couldn't be much more different than him on a bunch of policies with their libertarian stuff.

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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Jan 29, 2017 22:11:31

Youseff wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
pacino wrote:hey, i told someone to fuck off on FB for the first time in a while

Had my Trumpy aunt call CNN fake news on my brief whine about it. Reminded why I try to avoid politics on Facebook.


I hate being in a position to have to defend CNN. I don't particularly care for them, but I think there are plenty of decent journalists that work for them, and I certainly don't think a wholesale dismissal of 99% of the press is helpful.

I watch CNN if breaking news is happening. Like some of their people - Tapper, John King, dislike others - Wolf is real dumb, and hate them for giving Trump an unfiltered platform and megaphone throughout the GOP primary. But on the whole their news stuff is good. My aunt didn't like the article about Bannon and Miller's behind the scenes work on the immigration EO.

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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby Slowhand » Sun Jan 29, 2017 22:20:09

:idea: I just had an idea. And I don’t know if this has been discussed anywhere, but I wonder what the chances would be for airline employees who do not support this madness to go on strike and basically shut down air travel for everyone until this bullshit stops. I would think if a bunch of pilots, crew members, etc. just, you know, stopped flying the airplanes and inconvenienced and pissed off a very large portion of Americans (many of whom support this) by not allowing them to get to where they wanted/needed to go would, it make a very strong statement that this needs to stop now. :idea:
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby pacino » Sun Jan 29, 2017 22:21:32

you perform a shutdown-type protest when an issue isn't getting enough attention...right now this is the #1 thing being discussed in the country ALREADY and unfortunately something like that could only bring more attention of the negative kind, no matter how valid the cause, IMO.
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby Slowhand » Sun Jan 29, 2017 22:26:13

WheelsFellOff wrote:I'm generally not a political person, let alone an activist, but I wrote an email to Senator Toomey's office asking him to come out in opposition of the ban. Here's the link for anyone else who wishes to do so:

https://www.toomey.senate.gov/?p=contact

I really don't see how anyone who claims to be an American can do anything BUT oppose it. And as I wrote in my email, silence is tantamount to support.

[Reveal] Spoiler: My email, if you're interested
Senator Tooomey

I am saddened and disheartened to find you still silent on the issue of President Trump's executive order banning entry to the US for those from majority-Muslim countries, particularly Syrian refugees. Such a ban does not reflect the ideals we as Americans profess to uphold. We claim to be strong in the face of adversity and courageous towards a threat of danger. The ban is a clear action showing the opposite. It is an act based on fear of the other and fear of making the hard choices we know to be right. If you claim to represent me, an OIF II Veteran who proudly served when called upon to do so, you will speak out in dissent of this ban. Your silence on the issue is tantamount to your support, and your support will show you to be on the wrong side of history as those who signed The Chinese Exclusion Act or opposed the Jewish refugees fleeing Germany. Please, do the right thing, not the easy or expedient thing.


Real good letter, WFO.
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby Youseff » Sun Jan 29, 2017 22:39:32

some loons opened fire at a Mosque in Quebec City during worship, 5 dead.

http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/quebec-ci ... es-deaths/

Trump voters are already saying it's a false flag or George Soros.
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby pacino » Sun Jan 29, 2017 22:43:48

Someone should look into this george soros guy
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby wwry » Sun Jan 29, 2017 22:47:50

pacino wrote:Someone should look into this george soros guy

someone like a warrior...armed with information, for some sort of...infobattle.
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby Soren » Sun Jan 29, 2017 23:12:09

wwry legit makes me laugh in dark times
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby PSUsarge » Mon Jan 30, 2017 07:02:25

TenuredVulture wrote:One thing these protests show is that millenials are awesome and can save America if they start voting in midterm elections and state legislative races. (I know,not all the protesters are millenials but I think they're really coming through here.)

Hopefully this is all a wakeup call for my generation. Trump still won the majority of white millennials by 5%, another 8% voted third-party, and turnout was poor.

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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby The Savior » Mon Jan 30, 2017 07:04:16

The question will be how many voted Trump because they didn't want Hilary (or didn't want a woman in office).
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby PSUsarge » Mon Jan 30, 2017 07:44:34

Youseff wrote:
PSUsarge wrote:1) Okay so because 2% more people voted for HC the other 63 MILLION people shouldn't be understood?
2) Both parties knew exactly how that peculiar selection process worked. One did a way better job at playing the game than the other, who had the advantage of decades of experience.
3) Trump and his voters would get a biblical amount of #$!&@ for making the same arguments about the electrical college if the situation were reversed. Sour grapes argument, regardless of validity.
4) I do feel I genuinely understand their situations and didn't vote for Trump, so there you go. But HC offended those people repeatedly and Trump lavished them with (probably empty) promises of a return to prosperity. They chose to vote for the guy that might be a lot of bad things but seems to "have their back" when nobody else appears to vs. the woman who called them a basket of deplorables and basically ran her entire campaign on that fact that he was unfit to be President rather than trying to highlight her own fitness.


I think this is wrong. I, like a lot of left leaning people spend a lot of time reading and consuming lots or Right focused media. The average Trump supporter is actively proud that they don't consume any center or left leaning media. All it would take on these people's part, is to spend 10 minutes reading the details of the Trump University scam or his constant, consistent screwing of unions and contractors over the last 40 years to realize he doesn't give a flying #$!&@ about the average person. I'd be happy to start to see some come to Jesus moments where these people realize the error of their ways, but as of now I see them as culpable, conscious actors in bringing fascism to our country. Most seem thrilled Trump is dividing us.
Hard to prove that right-leaning people don't educate themselves on Trump's faults. I think some/many are willing to admit them, but also willing to ignore them in exchange for what they feel is a better/different direction. And, obviously, some of them share those faults (sexism, racism, xenophobia, etc.).

Again I go back to Trump's promises to bring back manufacturing, coal, etc. to the U.S. Anyone who thinks he's going to somehow turn back the clock on automation and globalization is kidding themselves, but there are apparently a hell of a lot of people who do.

It really makes no sense to me. Just trying to provide a different perspective.

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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby PSUsarge » Mon Jan 30, 2017 07:49:54

The Savior wrote:The question will be how many voted Trump because they didn't want Hilary (or didn't want a woman in office).

I think it was probably more Hillary herself than the woman component, but I could be wrong.

There also could be a large faction of millennials who legitimately support some of Trump's initiatives. If you're a white guy who doesn't want to go to college (for legitimate or illegitimate reasons), Trump's messaging is very encouraging. If you're in tech, the way the H1B Visa has been used might not be so appealing to you and maybe you want to see change there. Maybe you work for a U.S. based manufacturer and are tired of seeing your co-workers losing their jobs or just want to see the company/area do better.

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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Postby The Savior » Mon Jan 30, 2017 08:17:43

I legitimately think we are doomed. If DHS is ignoring the courts, which has been reported, we now have unchecked, unilateral power in the hands of the Executive Branch. You cannot convince me that isn't a significant problem. Court/justice system is what makes this country...this country.
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