td11 wrote:

PSUsarge wrote:

td11 wrote:Principled conservatives who are patriots first and love their country are gonna stand by and watch this administration destroy our democracy

Right, but principled liberals also knew what they were getting with this administration and failed to prevent it before November.

It's not like Trump ran on xyz and is now doing abc. He's doing the same shit he said he would do from day one.

Wasn't responding to you

Your point is extremely boring, btw

drsmooth wrote:
please post if you have Ds who've been silent on/supported this thing

PSUsarge wrote:

Youseff wrote:I'm guilty of being dismissive of his supporters. Nothing he is doing is unexpected. There was decades worth of evidence that he is a uniquely selfish, mean & awful person. I fault them for creating a hero out of a scumbag, an idol out of a person that clearly has no moral center. I'm open to hearing how I should be treating them, though. Not being sarcastic.

I don't disagree with any of this except for faulting his supporters for his creation.

Trump was created and sustained by desperation. The people who fervently supported him and changed parties to vote for him did so because, for all of his faults, he at least gave them some type of hope during an age of extreme anxiety for Middle and/or middle class America.

I can't blame desperate people for doing something desperate. I can blame those who allowed them to elect Donald Trump to the highest office in the country. Between the choice of candidate in HC and the arrogant, dismissive, pretentious attitude of many who thought a man like Trump could never be President, those people can and should be blamed.

I think there was an extreme amount of naivete, especially by those in my (millennial) generation who have grown up with four terms of Bush/Obama, that a racist, sexist, xenophobic man could occupy the presidency simply because of his morals. This same generation has somehow also made House of Cards a hit series. Mind boggling.

TL;DR: this could have been prevented by the same people who are now losing their collective shit about it, yet those people don't seem to want to claim responsibility for that.

Again, disclaimer, I am completely independent and did not vote for Trump. Just calling the hypocrisy to the table, as I have thankfully seen some Dems start to do also.

The Savior wrote:We live in a terrible place now. We complained a lot during Bush; during Obama. Man, those were the good ol days.

td11 wrote:

drsmooth wrote:
please post if you have Ds who've been silent on/supported this thing

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... w?sle=true

td11 wrote:Attys at Dulles with a fed court order entitling them to see detainees told by CBP "it's not going to happen" Attys seeking contempt order

https://twitter.com/DamonSilvers/status ... 7066115072

td11 wrote:Attys at Dulles with a fed court order entitling them to see detainees told by CBP "it's not going to happen" Attys seeking contempt order

https://twitter.com/DamonSilvers/status ... 7066115072

I think this is a good indication of how Trump will react to a 2020 election loss.

drsmooth wrote:

td11 wrote:Attys at Dulles with a fed court order entitling them to see detainees told by CBP "it's not going to happen" Attys seeking contempt order

https://twitter.com/DamonSilvers/status ... 7066115072

this is how it will go; now some judge has to clarify for the gestapo that these people are entitled to legal representation. How bad are these assholes prepared to look? Like, KA Conway bad? Because that's halloween goblin bad

drsmooth wrote:

td11 wrote:

drsmooth wrote:
please post if you have Ds who've been silent on/supported this thing

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... w?sle=true

So Tester & Nelson haven't said anything

Surprised at Nelson

TenuredVulture wrote:One other thing--can we stop with the "at least Trump's keeping his promises" #$!&@? I've been paying lots of attention to politics for a long time, since at least 1980, and Presidents have in fact all pretty much kept their promises to the extent they were able to do so.

td11 wrote:He rceived 2 voice-mails from this household today

TenuredVulture wrote:Good work with that list TD. I'm surprised that scumbag pushed himself in front of a bunch of microphones to spew his bile.

Bucky wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:One other thing--can we stop with the "at least Trump's keeping his promises" #$!&@? I've been paying lots of attention to politics for a long time, since at least 1980, and Presidents have in fact all pretty much kept their promises to the extent they were able to do so.

it's relevant now, though, since a common talking point was how he is a demagogue who would say anything to get elected and when then do very little of it. You can't normalize this situation to the past.