Youseff wrote:I have a theory that the real Ptk died.

Not yet... had a couple close ones with my heart - but not yet...

Honestly, a long rant like I did is MUCH more me - than the more tepid conform to board culture that I've been mellowing in to

Youseff wrote:Billy Joel is good

an inability to enjoy new music for 50 years isn't an indictment against everyone but you. tons of good music to be had, now as it's always been. Do you remember those days hanging out at the Village Green?

I think finding new music will always be something that makes me happy, and new meaning new to me.

What do you consider 'new music' ? Of course I've enjoyed new music, but you wouldn't know of half the sh** I've listened to, because it's not all pop/rock/commercial/radio.

I am deeply steeped in all kinds of experimental music. Jazz. Classical. Contemporary Classical. Improvised. And - Hip-Hop like BlackStar, Gangstarr, Roots, Anti-Con - innovative in sound or powerful message - yeah. Party Anthems - not my deal. Can I acknowledge a Pauls' Boutique in its historical context or Eminem's raw talent - of course. Do I care about seeing Marshal bare chested in some over-produced Vegas like moment on some TV awards show?

I can enjoy classic Motown with Jackson 5, and never want to hear Billy Jean again in my life.

I can understand the phenomena that was the Beatles and their influence, and still say that there isn't a single song of theirs I would seek out to listen to - and the 1-2-3 that I might like - were better done as covers by someone else.

EDM - I'm gonna listen to PlasticMan, Amon Tobin, or Seth Troxler before I'm listening to Cory Fairsten ...

Black Sabbath, AC/DC does not represent me on any level, nor interest me. (and i saw Ted Nugent open for Black Sabbath in the 70's at the Spectrum -- but I was 14 or 15, I'm not anymore and it's not the 70's anymore)

There are some nifty guitar players over the years - some of them white boys doing rock or metal or country rock - in certain context I might dig something for the skill of it. But the overall aesthetic or the brand they have created for their markets.

Bowie and Prince. Women luv them. Why? Because they did a lot of gender-fluid persona. They made themselves visually in to something. Bowie probably had a few tracks that I can respect or may have enjoyed - there's that clip of him doing "Fame" when it first came out on some TV show in the mid-70's and it was interesting especially in context for the time. But on the whole of it - these guys were magnified to legendary status by becoming compared to what?

There are people with amazing voices. Guitar players who are sublime and in full command of their instruments.

But they are not "popular" music.

Look, someone asked for 90's movie recommendations on a FB wall. I made a list - 5 of my 50 were Hollywood (Usual Suspects, Shawshank) I'm just not a commercial guy. Music movies food fashion. I literally have not eaten at McDonalds in 30 years.

listening to music to me - doesn't mean there will be guitar bass drums. Start there - if when you think of music, that's really a given - then you already stepped in to the quick-sand of my point. You have already pre-defined something very narrow.

You want an unpopular opine?

A wealth-cap. No single human being should be able to have X% more than the bottom. No more Pharaohs.

You want to get rid of hatred and oppression strife and war? Give everyone enough resources and opportunity.

The leading cooperative economy in the world, is the Mondragon community in the Basque region of spain. They have 1000's of businesses, their own bank- 3rd largest in Spain. When someone enters the cooperative they have to invest 15keuros. The bank makes loans. The top employee never makes more than 6 times the bottom employee.

In a world, where everyone has quality food, water, health-care, safety - and education and opportunity to thrive - maybe strife and conflict and racism and sexism and rape-culture and holy wars - goes away - and we can get about the business of repairing the earth.

There is no inalienable right to be a Monarch. To live in a way that is so privileged -- start with a wealth cap. Just say no to Billionaires.

Those with privilege = power = keep the masses without distracted and confused, poisoned on bad food and toxic culture and then get them distracted with "the other". Hate "the other". Create mythologies and feed it.

I've come to understand that people vote agains their own class interests - because it's like sports affiliation. A long time Eagle fan like me, has an irrational hatred of all things Dallas. I hate their logo their colors their name. And that's how it is in politics and social culture. "I hate Jews" "I hate Muslims" "America for White Christians" only... the problem is - sports is entertainment - the other is real-life.

When people are no longer poor and miserable, they are less likely to hate and mame.

People find reasons to hate.

Billy Joel is a beast and is forever in my good graces due to personal reasons but also his badass piano playing and vocals. Haters fall back.

The 'Philadelphia sellouts' banners for Bruce and Joel at WFC are stupid as hell

Barry Jive wrote:The 'Philadelphia sellouts' banners for Bruce and Joel at WFC are stupid as hell

This is fact

pacino wrote:Billy Joel is a beast and is forever in my good graces due to personal reasons but also his badass piano playing and vocals. Haters fall back.

I didn't get into it with TV about Billy Joel, but the dude's tight (often in more ways than one). Sure, Stormfront is mostly godawful, but even it has its moments, and the big thing is that TV obviously never played the piano growing up. If you were a piano player and wanted to be able to play anything your peers would recognize, you were pretty much limited to Joel and Elton John and otherwise the occasional song from other artists; therefore the both of them will always be special to me.

Would love to know your personal reasons pac? Like you met him or something? Or just "soundtrack of your life" kind of thing? Certainly Billy Joel has a few songs I will forever associate with a certain period in my life.

I in fact played piano. Not well mind you, but I played.

haven't seen anyone dispute the point about wherther he should have driven into that lady's house

Barry Jive wrote:haven't seen anyone dispute the point about wherther he should have driven into that lady's house

Take it to the popular opinions thread?

Based on a discussion in this thread:

REAL country music is the purest form of music being made in the world today

they're singing the songs sung by gods green earth. with a twang

mozartpc27 wrote:
Would love to know your personal reasons pac? Like you met him or something? Or just "soundtrack of your life" kind of thing? Certainly Billy Joel has a few songs I will forever associate with a certain period in my life.

you never heard the story about how christie brinkley broke up with pac because of him huh

Monkeyboy wrote:

Barry Jive wrote:

JUburton wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:I think country music, at least good country music, is close to dead. Nashville has that stuff on lockdown and it's really hard to break into that scene without nashville being behind you. As the old timers die off, we're mostly stuck with the garth brooks of the music world.

But there are always new kinds of music popping up and I love just going link to link on youtube finding new stuff or old stuff that was buried until the internet opened things up. New music is not dead.

Try (though you've likely heard of some/all) Sturgill Simpson, Jason Isbell (less so the last album), Drive-by Truckers, Tyler Childers, Chris Stapleton, Kacey Musgraves.

A little poppier, Maren Morris,

that's a hell of a list. Sturgill and Stapleton have been revelations the past few years

I'll check them out.

http://www.npr.org/event/music/53934704 ... t=20170808

might not be the starting point but this was a timely set from the truckers.

the solar eclipse ain't that cool. remember seeing it as a little kid and thinking it was cool. but i also didn't know it was happening until the moment it did and my parents pulled me aside to have me 'watch.'

Yeah, pretty lame. I watched it too years ago. Now I am blind.

yeah well you have never seen a total eclipse unless you age very well

I'll wait until 2024, because I'm an optimist.

CalvinBall wrote:yeah well you have never seen a total eclipse unless you age very well

He'll turn around