so you want no one to do it? who do you want to do it?

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

phatj wrote:Christopher Nolan plz

Ugh

Proving my point.

Why "ugh"?

phatj wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

phatj wrote:Christopher Nolan plz

Ugh

Proving my point.

Why "ugh"?

Because although I like Nolan, I'm not sure that his tone is the one I'd want to see in a SW movie. Maybe if it was the right script--I know they're not using the EU novels, but some of the stuff in the New Jedi Order series with Jacen Solo (like Traitor) would be the perfect type of story for Nolan.

And I don't want big names thrown at the project just because they're the hot names.

pacino wrote:so you want no one to do it? who do you want to do it?

I honestly don't know. It doesn't necessarily have to be a big name. It's not like Irv Kershner was a household name when he did ESB.

Fair enough, his dark style might not work, unless the idea was to make Star Wars movies for grown-ups (which isn't an awful idea...).

phatj wrote:Fair enough, his dark style might not work, unless the idea was to make Star Wars movies for grown-ups (which isn't an awful idea...).

Why does dark=grown up?

N.B.: I am leaving Jar-Jar and the prequels out of this discussion.

Dark doesn't mean grown up necessarily, but I think it precludes little kids who have always been a big part of the Star Wars audience.

Of course, Empire is a pretty dark movie, so I'm probably full of shit.

Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of room for darkness in the SW universe. I mean, the first six movies are the story arc of a guy whose childhood in slavery and guilt over failing to prevent his mother's murder led him to being tempted by absolute power to protect his wife, slaughtering children, getting burned alive by his best friend, becoming literally a shadow of his former self, blowing up a planet, and trying to kill his son. So yeah, SW is dark.

It's more that Nolan likes to focus on the tortured psyche of his hero, whereas SW movies just don't go that deep. When they do, they try to focus on the redemption aspect. The EU books have gone there, but when they do, they feel somewhat strained or out of place.

I don't know. For me, it'd be like Nolan doing Superman. The tone just doesn't fit the character.

still haven't seen any of 'em

spaceballs was good though

I'd like to see what Michael Bay could do with this stuff

Barry Jive wrote:I'd like to see what Michael Bay could do with this stuff

As if it was possible, he could probably ruin it worse than Lucas.

Bucky wrote:still haven't seen any of 'em

Is that possible for someone your age?

phatj wrote:Of course, Empire is a pretty dark movie, so I'm probably full of shit.

I dunno, I've always thought the "darkness" of Empire gets overstated. I mean, a lot of it is literally dark (the lighting on all Dagobah scenes, the sequence with Han and Leia on the Millenium Falcon in the belly of the beast, and all the scenes on star destroyers is pretty low), but it's not as if younglings are getting slaughtered at the Jedi temple or anything.

I think Star Wars got significantly more juvenile in the prequel trilogy (though honorable mention here goes to the Ewok sequences in ROJ). This was due in no small part to the casting of Jake Lloyd (awful, and the real problem with TPM, far moreso than Jar-Jar) and Hayden Christiansen. (Hayden actually did a decent enough job, all things considered, I thought, but he is just young, and more he is the sort of guy who could be playing a teenager at 28 - he has that ineffably "younger than he looks" quality of so many male stars these days, in the vein of Justin Timberlake, anyone who ever appeared on Dawson's Creek, etc. It's like men are trying to look like teenage boys sometimes, rather than the other way around. Hayden fits squarely into that category of personality/look/whatever you want to call it.

mozartpc27 wrote:

phatj wrote:Of course, Empire is a pretty dark movie, so I'm probably full of shit.

I dunno, I've always thought the "darkness" of Empire gets overstated. I mean, a lot of it is literally dark (the lighting on all Dagobah scenes, the sequence with Han and Leia on the Millenium Falcon in the belly of the beast, and all the scenes on star destroyers is pretty low), but it's not as if younglings are getting slaughtered at the Jedi temple or anything.

I think Star Wars got significantly more juvenile in the prequel trilogy (though honorable mention here goes to the Ewok sequences in ROJ). This was due in no small part to the casting of Jake Lloyd (awful, and the real problem with TPM, far moreso than Jar-Jar) and Hayden Christiansen. (Hayden actually did a decent enough job, all things considered, I thought, but he is just young, and more he is the sort of guy who could be playing a teenager at 28 - he has that ineffably "younger than he looks" quality of so many male stars these days, in the vein of Justin Timberlake, anyone who ever appeared on Dawson's Creek, etc. It's like men are trying to look like teenage boys sometimes, rather than the other way around. Hayden fits squarely into that category of personality/look/whatever you want to call it.

Some seriously bad shit happens in Empire. I don't think it's overstated at all.

PhillieMooDo wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:

phatj wrote:Of course, Empire is a pretty dark movie, so I'm probably full of shit.

I dunno, I've always thought the "darkness" of Empire gets overstated. I mean, a lot of it is literally dark (the lighting on all Dagobah scenes, the sequence with Han and Leia on the Millenium Falcon in the belly of the beast, and all the scenes on star destroyers is pretty low), but it's not as if younglings are getting slaughtered at the Jedi temple or anything.

I think Star Wars got significantly more juvenile in the prequel trilogy (though honorable mention here goes to the Ewok sequences in ROJ). This was due in no small part to the casting of Jake Lloyd (awful, and the real problem with TPM, far moreso than Jar-Jar) and Hayden Christiansen. (Hayden actually did a decent enough job, all things considered, I thought, but he is just young, and more he is the sort of guy who could be playing a teenager at 28 - he has that ineffably "younger than he looks" quality of so many male stars these days, in the vein of Justin Timberlake, anyone who ever appeared on Dawson's Creek, etc. It's like men are trying to look like teenage boys sometimes, rather than the other way around. Hayden fits squarely into that category of personality/look/whatever you want to call it.

Some seriously bad shit happens in Empire. I don't think it's overstated at all.

Rebel base is discovered and cleared out, some casualties (of the red-shirt variety)

Luke meets Yoda, learns about Force.

Han and Leia escape Imperial fleet by going into an asteroid field, then, when forced out, cleverly escape again by pretending to be garbage.

Unfortuantely, they are tracked by Boba Fett.

They go to Cloud City, where they meet Colt 45 spokesperson.

He betrays them, but then unbetrays them. A new friend!

But before he can unbetray them, Han Solo is frozen in carbonite, but we are carefully told he isn't dead.

Luke arrives to try to help, instead loses battle with Darth Vader, hand. On the upside, learns he has a Dad!

Hand is replaced with identical robot hand five minutes later; has to wear black glove in third movie so he can remember it is fake, because otherwise it would be very easy to forget.

Rebel fleet rendezvous, committments are made to go find Han.

To be continued!

It has its moments (Luke meeting himself as Darth Vader in cave, poignantly being overmatched in first light saber battle, The Big Reveal), and this episode definitely gives the trilogy the bulk of its depth, but there is still plenty of light-heartedness, and no main characters are killed, and only one is even sort of jeopardized.

ESB was extremely dark for its genre at the time, if only for the mere fact that our heroes got their collective asses handed to them for two hours. We've had 20+ years of dark action movies/heroes since then to alter our frame of reference.

mozartpc27 wrote:

PhillieMooDo wrote:I dunno, I've always thought the "darkness" of Empire gets overstated.

They go to Cloud City, where they meet Colt 45 spokesperson.

bleh wrote: Carrie better hit weight watchers.

The successor to Jabba, Fisher the Hutt

I think "dark" is in the eye of the beholder. I'm fine with Dark if you mean stuff like The Avengers (Coulson dying, scary Hulk) or Iron Man (torture, near death) but I don't want to see Dark Knight dark or Matrix bloodbath stuff. At its core, Star Wars is an all ages franchise and should stay that way.

I'm not a Jossus (Whedon) Christ guy, I'm really not - but I think he's the guy to do the Star Wars movies, and I really - really believe the job would be his if it weren't for Avenger's 2 (and being the youngest living director with a highest grossing of all time list movie to his name). I would be good with Abrams. It's easy to understate the amazing things he did with Star Trek and focus on the pretty/shiny parts - that is a great all-ages adventure movie. I like Brad Bird - Incredibles (another fantastic all-ages not dumbed down adventure) is one of my all time favorite movies.

I don't like Nolan for Star Wars, plus he's wrapped up with The Competition (Warner Bros), I bet he couldn't make the movies even if they asked him.