Eem wrote:Let's not forget that Dubee and Hamels basically added an elite cutter to his repertoire over the process of a few months

Not to mention Kyle's changeup (and Roy's)

Barry Jive wrote:

Eddie Jordan wrote:Most of the guys with his current arm slot are soft-tossers or stink. It isn't going to be easy.

yeah, but that's been the battle since spring training anyway. he's gotta learn how to throw his off-speed stuff for strikes and work backwards. it's gonna be a tough battle until he can cut down on walks with those pitches.

Nothing that facing the Marlins can't fix.

so why exactly is halladay's arm slot lower if not because of injury?

Warszawa wrote:so why exactly is halladay's arm slot lower if not because of injury?

It's a common sign of shoulder wear

it's because he hates Jews

because Dubee is deliberately telling him to do the wrong thing

CHARLIE MANUEL IS OLD AND CRANKY

Grotewold wrote:

Warszawa wrote:so why exactly is halladay's arm slot lower if not because of injury?

It's a common sign of shoulder wear

Get him that Mega Man surgery and strap him up a power cannon

Send him to Chase's shaman.

Grotewold wrote:

Warszawa wrote:so why exactly is halladay's arm slot lower if not because of injury?

It's a common sign of shoulder wear

Yeah. It's not injury in the acute sense of the term but a billion innjngs and pitches takes huge wear and tear on your entire shoulder/arm/body

if i understand the physics of pitching, the lower arm slot should actually improve his 2seam fastball (sinker), but it will negatively impact his cutter. the cutter is basically a slider, and i think the lower the arm slot, the more difficult to turn the ball over and create glove side (in to a LHB for a RHP) movement. as an extreme example, think about most guys who throw side arm. they have a real difficult time making the ball run inside to a LHB, because the natural movement of the ball is in to a RHB and away from a lefthanded batter. Most guys who throw from a lower arm slot also have a tough time throwing a 12-6 breaking ball, again, lower release point, more difficult to turn over. the other night, halladay's breaking ball was much more 11-5/10-4, which is why it seemed like he couldn't throw it for strikes. the changeup shouldn't be impacted as much as the breaking ball and cutter.

if he can't throw from a high 3/4 arm slot anymore, he needs to scrap the cutter. hes not going to be able to locate it, and when it backs up, it becomes a BP fastball. if he throws more turbo sinkers and changeups, he should be able to limit the damage. but the cutter was what made him elite, and im sure hes convinced he can still figure it out.

JUST RAISE YOUR DAMN ARM HIGHER, LEROY, WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK

^ Rich Dubee

Woody wrote:JUST RAISE YOUR DAMN ARM HIGHER, LEROY, WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK

in jr high we would have smeared Atomic Balm in the armpits of his jersey

He should wear a lift in his right shoe.

Or he should throw while kneeling on his left knee.

He looked like he was overthrowing a lot of pitches the other night. He couldn't locate and too many of his pitches had no life.

If he can regain the command of his control he can still be effective I'd guess. Right now he's a mess though.

Barry Jive wrote:because Dubee is deliberately telling him to do the wrong thing

I knew it!

Turn Pap into a starter, Doc Trevor Hoffman

Boom, fixed

Maybe we should call the Cubs about Garza now.