Roy Halladay

by **gusmoney** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:43:01

PA_Dan wrote:I received an e-mail this week from the Pirates trumpeting their three key hot stove additions - Akinori Iwamura, Bobby Crosby, and John Raynor. Just a reminder of what the off-season for basement-dwellers is like, and how good it is to be living in the MLB penthouse, jostling with the Yankees and Red Sox for players...

Your Bobby Crosby mention reminds me of a Peter Gammons incident a few years ago where he predicted in the preseason that Crosby would be an M.V.P. candidate that year.

Not so much.

Then again, he also predicted a few years prior to that, also in the preseason, the Phillies would miss Chad Ogea after his 1999 outing.

by **BassGuiFloyd** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:47:12

Does he still have his no-trade clause?

Roy Halladay rhp
3 years/$60M (2011-13), plus 2014 option

* 3 years/$60M (2011-13), plus 2014 option
o signed extension with Philadelphia 12/16/09
o 11:$20M, 12:$20M, 13:$20M, 14:$20M option
o 2014 option guaranteed with all of the following:
+ 225 IP in 2013,
+ 415 IP in 2012-13, and
+ Halladay is not on disabled list at end of 2013 season

by **iamgeorge** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:51:45

Was his NTC due to being a 10-and-5 guy?

by **dajafi** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:59:51

slamjim wrote:
dajafi wrote:The Lee situation says more to me about how the Phillies have changed than the man himself.

Previous cohorts of Phillies management would have been desperate to keep any "playoff hero." I'm old enough to remember well the contracts Giles gave Daulton and Dykstra after 1993; those guys were "part of the family," and they were paid for what they'd done rather than what they were likely to do going forward. Those deals crippled the team for five years.

While I think there's some place for sentiment and even (to a very limited extent, in very particular circumstances) "rewarding" a player for past performance, on balance I much prefer Smuggles' approach. The team "owed" Lee nothing beyond his paycheck and not to denigrate him. They did approach him about an extension. We don't know if they offered 3/$60m, but if they didn't I suspect it's because they didn't value him as highly as they did Halladay--which, again, is a decision on the merits.

Moyer?

In that I wanted him back in 2009, yeah. Two year contract? Fuck no.

by **HillMD** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:43:46

“With Roy, it has never been about the money,” agent Greg Landry said. “It’s about being happy. This is still a great deal, but money is not what drives Roy.”

Take a look at that, Cliff. Enjoy waking up to a damp and depressing city, only to net some more money in a year. Fucker.

by **kruker** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:46:04

HillMD wrote:
“With Roy, it has never been about the money,” agent Greg Landry said. “It’s about being happy. This is still a great deal, but money is not what drives Roy.”

Take a look at that, Cliff. Enjoy waking up to a damp and depressing city, only to net some more money in a year. $#@!.

Roy doesn't take this deal if he hadn't already had a big pay day. The situations aren't comparable.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:49:27

Brantt wrote:
So why take 34 as a number?

Because it was offered. "As long as it says 'Phillies' on the front," he said, "I don't care what's on the back."

Well he is charming, isn't he? It is an unusually giddy thought to think that the best pitcher in baseball wanted to be a PHILLIES that badly. Not a contract, not the Phillies or half a dozen other teams, a PHILLIES.

I remember when I felt good that Kent Bottenfield really wanted to be a Phillies. Puts it all in perspective, really.

by **PTOITWCFTPP** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:50:58

mozartpc27 wrote:
Brantt wrote:
So why take 34 as a number?

Because it was offered. "As long as it says 'Phillies' on the front," he said, "I don't care what's on the back."

Well he is charming, isn't he? It is an unusually giddy thought to think that the best pitcher in baseball wanted to be a PHILLIES that badly. Not a contract, not the Phillies or half a dozen other teams, a PHILLIES.

I remember when I felt good that Kent Bottenfield really wanted to be a Phillies. Puts it all in perspective, really.

I remember rooting hard for Gregg Jeffries.

by **joe table** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:51:00

mozartpc27 wrote:
Brantt wrote:
So why take 34 as a number?

Because it was offered. "As long as it says 'Phillies' on the front," he said, "I don't care what's on the back."

Well he is charming, isn't he? It is an unusually giddy thought to think that the best pitcher in baseball wanted to be a PHILLIES that badly. Not a contract, not the Phillies or half a dozen other teams, a PHILLIES.

I remember when I felt good that Kent Bottenfield really wanted to be a Phillies. Puts it all in perspective, really.

It's only because of the Mormon drug emporium at Reid's house

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:51:05

kruker wrote:
HillMD wrote:
“With Roy, it has never been about the money,” agent Greg Landry said. “It’s about being happy. This is still a great deal, but money is not what drives Roy.”

Take a look at that, Cliff. Enjoy waking up to a damp and depressing city, only to net some more money in a year. $#@!.

Roy doesn't take this deal if he hadn't already had a big pay day. The situations aren't comparable.

Totally. Also, how can you be mad at Cliff Lee? Apparently, we were never going to have both Lee and Halladay, it was always going to be one or the other. Cliff Lee didn't make the choice, the Phillies did.

I've got nothing but love for Cliff Lee. His 2009 postseason... man, what a thing of endless beauty.

by **Bakestar** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:57:17

HillMD wrote:
“With Roy, it has never been about the money,” agent Greg Landry said. “It’s about being happy. This is still a great deal, but money is not what drives Roy.”

Take a look at that, Cliff. Enjoy waking up to a damp and depressing city, only to net some more money in a year. $#@!.

What is the matter with you?

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:59:36

Yeah, I'm past all the consternation now, and letting it sink in. Unfortunately, I didn't really enjoy the press conference yesterday the way I could have/should have, because I was thinking about what might have been. Happy trails, Cliff; maybe we get you back at the deadline if Seattle flounders :twisted:

And welcome Roy Halladay, the guy me and most people wanted badly in the first place and were a little disappointed we didn't get in the first place. So glad you wanted to be a Phillies, because we really wanted you to be a Phillies too!

by **momadance** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 13:06:54

Bakestar wrote:
HillMD wrote:
“With Roy, it has never been about the money,” agent Greg Landry said. “It’s about being happy. This is still a great deal, but money is not what drives Roy.”

Take a look at that, Cliff. Enjoy waking up to a damp and depressing city, only to net some more money in a year. $#@!.

What is the matter with you?

Communism.

by **lowcountry** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 13:13:26

OK ... already making plans to go to Washington for Opening Day. They wouldn't do anything crazy and throw Hamels first, would they?

by **HillMD** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 13:14:03

momadance wrote:
Bakestar wrote:
HillMD wrote:
“With Roy, it has never been about the money,” agent Greg Landry said. “It’s about being happy. This is still a great deal, but money is not what drives Roy.”

Take a look at that, Cliff. Enjoy waking up to a damp and depressing city, only to net some more money in a year. $#@!.

What is the matter with you?

Communism.

Oh, oh God no. No communism here.

by **joe table** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 13:34:20

lowcountry wrote:OK ... already making plans to go to Washington for Opening Day. They wouldn't do anything crazy and throw Hamels first, would they?

Myers

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 13:34:58

joe table wrote:
lowcountry wrote:OK ... already making plans to go to Washington for Opening Day. They wouldn't do anything crazy and throw Hamels first, would they?

Myers

Huh. I wonder what is going to happen with that guy.

by **joe table** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 13:36:08

mozartpc27 wrote:
joe table wrote:
lowcountry wrote:OK ... already making plans to go to Washington for Opening Day. They wouldn't do anything crazy and throw Hamels first, would they?

Myers

Huh. I wonder what is going to happen with that guy.

He's cage fighting Jose Canseco at the Bozeman, Montana Elks Lodge in two weeks

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 13:39:06

joe table wrote:
mozartpc27 wrote:
joe table wrote:
lowcountry wrote:OK ... already making plans to go to Washington for Opening Day. They wouldn't do anything crazy and throw Hamels first, would they?

Myers

Huh. I wonder what is going to happen with that guy.

He's cage fighting Jose Canseco at the Bozeman, Montana Elks Lodge in two weeks

I actually believe you.

by **HillMD** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 13:41:30

joe table wrote:
mozartpc27 wrote:
joe table wrote:
lowcountry wrote:OK ... already making plans to go to Washington for Opening Day. They wouldn't do anything crazy and throw Hamels first, would they?

Myers

Huh. I wonder what is going to happen with that guy.

He's cage fighting Jose Canseco at the Bozeman, Montana Elks Lodge in two weeks

Is he really?

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