HALLADAY VIII: GUS IS SCRATCHNG LIKE A CHEAP JOHN

by **FTN** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 13:14:15

ToddZoleckiI'm thinking Ricciardi isn't liking the fact the Phillies are moving on without him. Phillies remain the best fit, but will his price drop?
3 minutes ago from web

by **GMAN** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 13:14:16

lowcountry wrote:
GMAN wrote:
GrizzledVeteran wrote:
GMAN wrote:Sox get Doc, La gets Lee and we get Washburn.

Can you please keep the negativity to just one board?
Can you be boring on just one board ?

Tell you what: I'll be that your little list of what's gonna happen doesn't happen.

Stakes: You disappear and don't come back.

a little too testy I see. I have been on very good behavior during my brief moments on this board. You need to relax and enjoy life my friend.

by **JFLNYC** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 13:14:20

mozartpc27 wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:IMO. Phils are going to make one last big push for Halladay today. If it fails, they're gonna go with Lee.

I think as much as anything it offends me the Phillies are prepared to cede Halladay to the mother-$#@!-ing Red Sox. I guess I must be satisfied if the Phillies manage to keep Taylor, Brown, and Drabek in the process, but since that has a snowball's chance in hell of happening, I feel very strongly I'd rather give up Drabek and Brown/Taylor to get HALLADAY than give up Brown/Taylor to get Lee.

The craziest thing is that if the Phillies go for the Lee deal, then Boston can pull Buccholz off the table, and JP will still have to make the deal. If they can force Boston into a Lee deal first, then they can pull Drabek. ARRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH.

I guess Rube is hoping that JP will panic at the thought of Halladay in a Sox uniform and accept a Happ/Taylor/pieces deal from him first rather than see that day come. Because JP is setting up to get raped by Theo. Raped.

I don't like it much either, but at some point you have to make a choice and go for it or risk not getting either of them. I'm oddly confident that, with a real deal for Lee in hand, they'll get Riccardi to cave.

by **JFLNYC** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 13:15:42

Zo's just copying my train of thought.

by **The Dude** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 13:15:52

JFLNYC wrote:
The Dude wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:
The Dude wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:
The Dude wrote:J, Dodgers have been involved the whole time. It seems hard to believe the trade would go up a ton in value right now

Why? Towards the close of any auction is when the bidding gets serious.

B/c it hasn't changed much with the other rumors. The ante hasn't been upped much, if any, for Halladay. It's pretty rare in a baseball trade for a team to have many prospect packages they're interested in, and for all those teams involved to have the ability to keep upping the ante, too

Talks remain fluid — the Phillies also are talking to the Mariners about left-hander Jarrod Washburn, and the Dodgers planned to make a "hard push" for Lee on Wednesday, according to a source.

Per Rosenthal.

Right, and the Phillies have a better package of prospects that the Dodgers can't match

Sure they can.

We shall see, but my point is that they don''t have enough to get it to the point where the offer changes drastically. That was also said today

by **FTN** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 13:16:30

Dodgers don't have the same level of prospects the Phillies have. They don't.

by **Phan In Phlorida** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 13:17:50

cshort wrote:Zolecki on with Gargano

-Jays thought the Phillies were bluffing on Lee

Ricciardi, while watching Lee adorn Phils jersey at press conference: "They're bluffing..."

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 13:18:16

JFLNYC wrote:
mozartpc27 wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:IMO. Phils are going to make one last big push for Halladay today. If it fails, they're gonna go with Lee.

I think as much as anything it offends me the Phillies are prepared to cede Halladay to the mother-$#@!-ing Red Sox. I guess I must be satisfied if the Phillies manage to keep Taylor, Brown, and Drabek in the process, but since that has a snowball's chance in hell of happening, I feel very strongly I'd rather give up Drabek and Brown/Taylor to get HALLADAY than give up Brown/Taylor to get Lee.

The craziest thing is that if the Phillies go for the Lee deal, then Boston can pull Buccholz off the table, and JP will still have to make the deal. If they can force Boston into a Lee deal first, then they can pull Drabek. ARRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH.

I guess Rube is hoping that JP will panic at the thought of Halladay in a Sox uniform and accept a Happ/Taylor/pieces deal from him first rather than see that day come. Because JP is setting up to get raped by Theo. Raped.

I don't like it much either, but at some point you have to make a choice and go for it or risk not getting either of them. I'm oddly confident that, with a real deal for Lee in hand, they'll get Riccardi to cave.

I mean, Halladay in Boston is a DISASTER for Toronto, right? And not only that, but if the Phillies drop out now, the price for Halladay will drop for Boston, so it will be Halladay to Boston and those Boston beans I've heard so much about to Toronto.

I hope you're right, because you'd think this would give the Phillies a lot of leverage. The Red Sox should probably wait this out, because they'll either 1) get Halladay for $0.40 on the dollar or 2) force Halladay out of the league entirely, and can sign him after 2010 if they want probably. So, JP would have to take his chances, if he tells the Phillies to stick it, that Boston won't then just ram it down his throat.

by **JFLNYC** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 13:18:46

The Dude wrote:We shall see, but my point is that they don''t have enough to get it to the point where the offer changes drastically. That was also said today

I think Shapiro's got offers right now from both the Dodgers and Phils, but likes the Phils' offer better. He's willing to accept it. The Phils have told him they'll give him a firm yes or no by sometime today and they're putting the squeeze on JPR as we speak. As long as the Phils are prepared to follow through on the Lee threat, it's a good tactic. You can't be left with nothing at the end of this process.

by **jamiethekiller** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 13:19:06

ricciardi really screwed this one all up.

its hilarious

by **FTN** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 13:19:10

lol ESPN still running the debunked story involving Westmoreland.

what is the deal?

by **cshort** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 13:19:36

Phan In Phlorida wrote:
cshort wrote:Zolecki on with Gargano

-Jays thought the Phillies were bluffing on Lee

Ricciardi, while watching Lee adorn Phils jersey at press conference: "They're bluffing..."

Apparently they told JPR two or three days ago that they were going to focus on Lee, and he didn't believe them.

by **lowcountry** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 13:19:42

So ESPN on Yahoo's report:

Gammons: Westmoreland's not involved.
Boston Globe: Buchholz isn't involved.

by **snakster** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 13:20:10

FTN wrote:lol ESPN still running the debunked story involving Westmoreland.

what is the deal?

Don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

by **lowcountry** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 13:20:56

Kurkjian: Halladay to Boston won't happen.

by **FTN** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 13:21:08

kurkjian says he doesnt think red sox will trade buchholz, then breaks into a story about the 1932 yankees

by **cshort** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 13:21:22

JFLNYC wrote:
The Dude wrote:We shall see, but my point is that they don''t have enough to get it to the point where the offer changes drastically. That was also said today

I think Shapiro's got offers right now from both the Dodgers and Phils, but likes the Phils' offer better. He's willing to accept it. The Phils have told him they'll give him a firm yes or no by sometime today and they're putting the squeeze on JPR as we speak. As long as the Phils are prepared to follow through on the Lee threat, it's a good tactic. You can't be left with nothing at the end of this process.

Agreed. And if the Phillies move on Lee, I wonder if Theo yanks Buchholz off the table. Hopefully the idiot in Toronto is thinking the same thing.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 13:21:26

BigB wrote:
Squire wrote:Its never been the Phillies nature to do a deal in the waning hours of the deadline (or to ride out free agency for the bargains). They tend to live in fear of being the team that will end up without a chair when the music stops. I think a deal today or tomorrow is far more likely than one on Friday.

SQUIRE

Yep and given the fact that Halladay starts today and Lee is scheduled for Friday I would think that a move would need to be today or tomorrow so that neither player starts for its old team and risks injury

This is exactly what I meant when I predicted a Halladay deal by 3:00 today. If Halladay starts tonight for the Blue Jays, a few different things can happen, and all of them are bad from the Blue Jays point of view.

by **The Dude** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 13:22:55

JFLNYC wrote:
The Dude wrote:We shall see, but my point is that they don''t have enough to get it to the point where the offer changes drastically. That was also said today

I think Shapiro's got offers right now from both the Dodgers and Phils, but likes the Phils' offer better. He's willing to accept it. The Phils have told him they'll give him a firm yes or no by sometime today and they're putting the squeeze on JPR as we speak. As long as the Phils are prepared to follow through on the Lee threat, it's a good tactic. You can't be left with nothing at the end of this process.

Yeah, that was my point all along. The Dodgers weren't capable of driving up Lee's price significantly

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 13:23:35

cshort wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:
The Dude wrote:We shall see, but my point is that they don''t have enough to get it to the point where the offer changes drastically. That was also said today

I think Shapiro's got offers right now from both the Dodgers and Phils, but likes the Phils' offer better. He's willing to accept it. The Phils have told him they'll give him a firm yes or no by sometime today and they're putting the squeeze on JPR as we speak. As long as the Phils are prepared to follow through on the Lee threat, it's a good tactic. You can't be left with nothing at the end of this process.

Agreed. And if the Phillies move on Lee, I wonder if Theo yanks Buchholz off the table. Hopefully the idiot in Toronto is thinking the same thing.

I think I've reacquired my confidence about Halladay being a Phillies. Thanks, JFLNYC. I mean, JP is either going to send him to Boston for next to nothing, or, I guess, get Happ, Taylor, perhaps Knapp, and maybe Marson/Donald out of us. Or something similar. It's a good haul, JP. Don't do the stoopid thing and let Boston get Halladay for nothing.

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