HALLADAY VIII: GUS IS SCRATCHNG LIKE A CHEAP JOHN

by **Phight On!** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:33:12

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9866 ... -lefty-Lee

"The Phillies are in discussions with the Indians to obtain left-hander Cliff Lee and possibly another player for Class A right-hander Jason Knapp, Class AAA right-hander Carlos Carrasco, shortstop Jason Donald and catcher Lou Marson, according to a major-league source.

Carrasco was scratched from his start for the Class AAA Lehigh IronPigs on Wednesday, and Donald and Marson were not in the lineup. It was not known whether Donald and Marson had scheduled off-days for an 11 a.m. start after a night game."

Rotoworld is calling this "a formal offer".

by **cshort** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:33:32

From RealKen

The Phillies are in discussions with the Indians to obtain left-hander Cliff Lee and possibly another player for Class A right-hander Jason Knapp, Class AAA right-hander Carlos Carrasco, shortstop Jason Donald and catcher Lou Marson, according to a major-league source.

Carrasco was scratched from his start for the Class AAA Lehigh IronPigs on Wednesday, and Donald and Marson were not in the lineup. It was not known whether Donald and Marson had scheduled off-days for an 11 a.m. start after a night game.

Talks remain fluid — the Phillies also are talking to the Mariners about left-hander Jarrod Washburn, and the Dodgers planned to make a "hard push" for Lee on Wednesday, according to a source.

oh, nevermind

by **CFP** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:34:12

This is getting to the point of insanity, news is being posted 7, 8, 9 times now.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:36:30

Holy shit alot happened while I taught class.

The thing I was thinking all along is (even if the Phillies now appear not to be getting Halladay): why would Toronto want Halladay to start tonight? Not one good thing could come of it.

by **philliesr98** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:38:02

This is all crap, wake me up when he have Halladay, im not joking either... I have it up to here with this gigantic Bull shit fest...

Halladay is ours and we all know this, so does JP ricciardi.... take our offer Nose.

by **cshort** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:38:12

Zolecki on with Gargano

-Jays thought the Phillies were bluffing on Lee
-Will probably reach out to the Phillies as it's still the best fit
-Jays are not moving off Drabek

by **GMAN** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:38:32

ek wrote:zolecki says it's not dead yet. he expects toronto to come back to the phillies and try and get something worked out

This is what I am praying for.

by **Werthless** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:38:33

mozartpc27 wrote:Holy $#@! alot happened while I taught class.

The thing I was thinking all along is (even if the Phillies now appear not to be getting Halladay): why would Toronto want Halladay to start tonight? Not one good thing could come of it.

They would be conceding that they are trading him. JP has been spending weeks trying to convince potential trading partners that he's perfectly happy keeping him.

by **Ace Rothstein** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:39:10

ek wrote:zolecki says it's not dead yet. he expects toronto to come back to the phillies and try and get something worked out

so basically we are going to be doing this until 4:15 on friday

by **S2D** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:39:22

LOL! Gargano talking about the rotation being too left handed. Like Cole and Lee are specialists or something.

by **BrianOrange** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:40:11

cshort wrote:Zolecki on with Gargano

-Jays thought the Phillies were bluffing on Lee
-Will probably reach out to the Phillies as it's still the best fit
-Jays are not moving off Drabek

Drabek, Knapp, Donald, Marson.

by **CFP** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:41:15

Someone's heart is about to be broken. Probably Moyer.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:41:31

Werthless wrote:
mozartpc27 wrote:Holy $#@! alot happened while I taught class.

The thing I was thinking all along is (even if the Phillies now appear not to be getting Halladay): why would Toronto want Halladay to start tonight? Not one good thing could come of it.

They would be conceding that they are trading him. JP has been spending weeks trying to convince potential trading partners that he's perfectly happy keeping him.

Which is why I predicted they would trade Halladay BEFORE 3:00 today.

by **Squire** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:44:31

Its never been the Phillies nature to do a deal in the waning hours of the deadline (or to ride out free agency for the bargains). They tend to live in fear of being the team that will end up without a chair when the music stops. I think a deal today or tomorrow is far more likely than one on Friday.

SQUIRE

by **SideshowBob** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:45:44

BrianOrange wrote:Drabek, Knapp, Donald, Marson.

I wouldn't include Knapp. IMHO, were it to take that to get Halladay, I'd rather go for Lee if the rumored deal is there. Though I'd be perfectly fine with the above deal for Halladay if it ends up there.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:46:37

This sucks. I wanted Halladay.

I know, Cliff Lee is good and all. And he's younger.

by **BigB** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:47:51

Squire wrote:Its never been the Phillies nature to do a deal in the waning hours of the deadline (or to ride out free agency for the bargains). They tend to live in fear of being the team that will end up without a chair when the music stops. I think a deal today or tomorrow is far more likely than one on Friday.

SQUIRE

Yep and given the fact that Halladay starts today and Lee is scheduled for Friday I would think that a move would need to be today or tomorrow so that neither player starts for its old team and risks injury

by **JFLNYC** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:49:19

The Dude wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:
The Dude wrote:J, Dodgers have been involved the whole time. It seems hard to believe the trade would go up a ton in value right now

Why? Towards the close of any auction is when the bidding gets serious.

B/c it hasn't changed much with the other rumors. The ante hasn't been upped much, if any, for Halladay. It's pretty rare in a baseball trade for a team to have many prospect packages they're interested in, and for all those teams involved to have the ability to keep upping the ante, too

Talks remain fluid — the Phillies also are talking to the Mariners about left-hander Jarrod Washburn, and the Dodgers planned to make a "hard push" for Lee on Wednesday, according to a source.

Per Rosenthal.

by **BrianOrange** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:49:57

[quote="ek"]well they aren't going to get him if they don't give up Drabek[/quote

I never had a problem with giving up Drabek. My issue was always giving up Drabek AND either Brown or Taylor. I'd do a deal based around Drabek and Happ too.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:51:02

Drabek, Happ, Donald, Marson. If you can get that deal for Halladay, that's the deal to do.

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