cartersDad26 wrote:

Brantt wrote:If Buchholz is so great, why do his major league numbers suck?

Umm, the guy threw a no hitter in his 2nd game at age 23.

and that proves....?

phorever wrote:

cartersDad26 wrote:

Brantt wrote:If Buchholz is so great, why do his major league numbers suck?

Umm, the guy threw a no hitter in his 2nd game at age 23.

and that proves....?

Bud Smith?

BassGuiFloyd wrote:

phorever wrote:

cartersDad26 wrote:

Brantt wrote:If Buchholz is so great, why do his major league numbers suck?

Umm, the guy threw a no hitter in his 2nd game at age 23.

and that proves....?

Bud Smith?

You guys aren't serious about the "Buccholz really isn't that good" talk are you? His WHIP at AAA this season was under 1.

Trading him to Boston would be a monstrous PR disaster, so much so that I wonder whether Halladay is even comfortable with it.

Grotewold wrote:Trading him to Boston would be a monstrous PR disaster, so much so that I wonder whether Halladay is even comfortable with it.

This much I agree with, and it does give me some hope.

It would probably be a good way to really piss off what remaining loyal fans you had, and further cement your position as an AL East cellar dweller. Yep, it'll happen

Woody wrote:It would probably be a good way to really piss off what remaining loyal fans you had, and further cement your position as an AL East cellar dweller. Yep, it'll happen

it would equate to us trading Schilling to the Braves during their 13 year reign over the division. We would have been livid.

stevemc wrote:

Woody wrote:It would probably be a good way to really piss off what remaining loyal fans you had, and further cement your position as an AL East cellar dweller. Yep, it'll happen

it would equate to us trading Schilling to the Braves during their 13 year reign over the division. We would have been livid.

That's exactly right. And remember what a joy it was to watch him pitch once a week; how it made you feel, just for a day, that you rooted for a good team?

That is where the Jays fans are coming from. Trading him to Boston is akin to their girlfriend dumping them and fucking their brother.

mozartpc27 wrote:

BassGuiFloyd wrote:

phorever wrote:

cartersDad26 wrote:

Brantt wrote:If Buchholz is so great, why do his major league numbers suck?

Umm, the guy threw a no hitter in his 2nd game at age 23.

and that proves....?

Bud Smith?

You guys aren't serious about the "Buccholz really isn't that good" talk are you? His WHIP at AAA this season was under 1.

That's all fine and dandy, but his major league numbers in his career absolutely suck.

Now, you can claim small sample size since he's only thrown 114 innings, and I agree to a point. However it's also over a period of 3 years where he should be showing improvement each time that he comes up.

His career MLB numbers are awful...........and they'd be even worse if you exclude the 4 games he pitched in 2007.

114 IP
6-11 record
126 Hits
58 BB
1.614 WHIP
5.29 ERA

Last year was by far the most sustained big league action he got and his numbers were by far his worst.

Seems to me like a guy with great minor league numbers who has been hyped up for years but has never delivered on the major league level. And he's going to be 25 in two weeks.

Brantt wrote:That's all fine and dandy, but his major league numbers in his career absolutely suck.

Now, you can claim small sample size since he's only thrown 114 innings, and I agree to a point. However it's also over a period of 3 years where he should be showing improvement each time that he comes up.

His career MLB numbers are awful...........and they'd be even worse if you exclude the 4 games he pitched in 2007.

114 IP
6-11 record
126 Hits
58 BB
1.614 WHIP
5.29 ERA

Last year was by far the most sustained big league action he got and his numbers were by far his worst.

Seems to me like a guy with great minor league numbers who has been hyped up for years but has never delivered on the major league level. And he's going to be 25 in two weeks.

Those aren't the numbers you should be using.

K/9: 8.28
BB/9: 4.58
GB%: 48.5%
HR/9: 0.95
FIP: 4.30
QERA: 4.44

Your numbers are all biased based on his .336 career BABIP. No one should care about his record; listing ip, hits, walks & whip is clearly redundant; and you left out the most essential predictor of major league success for pitchers which is K-rate. You take the 15 lucky hits and turn them into outs and you lower his ERA by a run.

Give that man a cape

Woody wrote:It would probably be a good way to really piss off what remaining loyal fans you had, and further cement your position as an AL East cellar dweller. Yep, it'll happen

Yeah, if Halladay signed with Boston or the Yanks as a free agent the heat is on him. If Toronto deals him to either team they are toast with their fans. I checked out one of the Toronto forums and people there are exclaiming they will never root for the Jays again if that happens.

We need to fan this fire, people. Start writing emails to fanrelations@bluejays.com

slamjim wrote:

Woody wrote:It would probably be a good way to really piss off what remaining loyal fans you had, and further cement your position as an AL East cellar dweller. Yep, it'll happen

Yeah, if Halladay signed with Boston or the Yanks as a free agent the heat is on him. If Toronto deals him to either team they are toast with their fans. I checked out one of the Toronto forums and people there are exclaiming they will never root for the Jays again if that happens.

I agree, but don't forget Halladay has to approve any deal, so there'd still be heat on him if he goes to NY or Boston.

I don't see it happening.

I just want this to be over so I can get some work done

and remember to sign your name as a French name.

MattS wrote:

Brantt wrote:That's all fine and dandy, but his major league numbers in his career absolutely suck.

Now, you can claim small sample size since he's only thrown 114 innings, and I agree to a point. However it's also over a period of 3 years where he should be showing improvement each time that he comes up.

His career MLB numbers are awful...........and they'd be even worse if you exclude the 4 games he pitched in 2007.

114 IP
6-11 record
126 Hits
58 BB
1.614 WHIP
5.29 ERA

Last year was by far the most sustained big league action he got and his numbers were by far his worst.

Seems to me like a guy with great minor league numbers who has been hyped up for years but has never delivered on the major league level. And he's going to be 25 in two weeks.

Those aren't the numbers you should be using.

K/9: 8.28
BB/9: 4.58
GB%: 48.5%
HR/9: 0.95
FIP: 4.30
QERA: 4.44

Your numbers are all biased based on his .336 career BABIP. No one should care about his record; listing ip, hits, walks & whip is clearly redundant; and you left out the most essential predictor of major league success for pitchers which is K-rate. You take the 15 lucky hits and turn them into outs and you lower his ERA by a run.

Don't even know what the last two things listed mean............really don't care either. All I know is for the last 2 seasons when this kid has gotten called up to the majors he has sucked. If this were a Phillies prospect rather than a Red Sox prospect he'd be labeled a space cadet who craps the bed everytime he comes up to the majors.

Grotewold wrote:

slamjim wrote:

Woody wrote:It would probably be a good way to really piss off what remaining loyal fans you had, and further cement your position as an AL East cellar dweller. Yep, it'll happen

Yeah, if Halladay signed with Boston or the Yanks as a free agent the heat is on him. If Toronto deals him to either team they are toast with their fans. I checked out one of the Toronto forums and people there are exclaiming they will never root for the Jays again if that happens.

I agree, but don't forget Halladay has to approve any deal, so there'd still be heat on him if he goes to NY or Boston.

I don't see it happening.

The funny thing is they say he gets a pass if he's traded because they love the guy and want him to get a ring. All the hate is still directed at Riccardi. Halladay can do no wrong in this situation it appears.

slamjim wrote:and remember to sign your name as a French name.

No, that's Montreal.

You need to include a few "ehs" and disparaging comments about the Maple Leafs. And call JP a "hoser".

MattS wrote:

Brantt wrote:That's all fine and dandy, but his major league numbers in his career absolutely suck.

Now, you can claim small sample size since he's only thrown 114 innings, and I agree to a point. However it's also over a period of 3 years where he should be showing improvement each time that he comes up.

His career MLB numbers are awful...........and they'd be even worse if you exclude the 4 games he pitched in 2007.

114 IP
6-11 record
126 Hits
58 BB
1.614 WHIP
5.29 ERA

Last year was by far the most sustained big league action he got and his numbers were by far his worst.

Seems to me like a guy with great minor league numbers who has been hyped up for years but has never delivered on the major league level. And he's going to be 25 in two weeks.

Those aren't the numbers you should be using.

K/9: 8.28
BB/9: 4.58
GB%: 48.5%
HR/9: 0.95
FIP: 4.30
QERA: 4.44

Your numbers are all biased based on his .336 career BABIP. No one should care about his record; listing ip, hits, walks & whip is clearly redundant; and you left out the most essential predictor of major league success for pitchers which is K-rate. You take the 15 lucky hits and turn them into outs and you lower his ERA by a run.

You conveniently left out his H/9 of 9.95. Yes, being "unlucky" has something to do with it based on his BABIP, but that's still an alarming number for a guy that is said to be a strikeout pitcher.