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Postby Trent Steele » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:04:04

So, what’s going to happen? Well, Ricciardi told Yahoo! Sports last night that his gut feeling is that Halladay won’t be going anywhere. I’m still not sold. Regardless of what he says, I believe Ricciardi is highly motivated to meet ownership’s demands to shed payroll, and he knows he can fetch a greater return for Halladay if he trades him now rather than in the offseason. Unless the Red Sox make an offer that involves Clay Buchholz, the Phillies will put together the best package, and in the end, I think the sides will agree to include 19-year-old right-hander Jason Knapp instead of Drabek. It may not happen until the last minute, but I think the Phillies will get Halladay for Happ, Knapp, Brown and triple-A shortstop Jason Donald, who returned last night after minor knee surgery in June and went 2-for-4.



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Happ, Knapp, Brown, and Donald? I'd be hard-pressed to turn that down
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Postby SideshowBob » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:06:57

Trent Steele wrote:Happ, Knapp, Brown, and Donald? I'd be hard-pressed to turn that down


I'd be cool with that deal, but I think I'd prefer to give up Drabek + minor prospect than Knapp/Brown. Again, not that I'd be complaining.

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Postby Trent Steele » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:08:08

SideshowBob wrote:
Trent Steele wrote:Happ, Knapp, Brown, and Donald? I'd be hard-pressed to turn that down


I'd be cool with that deal, but I think I'd prefer to give up Drabek + minor prospect than Knapp/Brown. Again, not that I'd be complaining.


Agreed on both points. Ideally, they woud trade Drabek/Happ and 2 non-Knapp/Brown/Taylor prospects, but the Phils don't seem prepared to go that way.
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Postby Werthless » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:08:27

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Werthless wrote:What do people expect Buchholz's ERA, in the next 2 years, to be? I'm especially interested in those people who say he's not a very good prospect.


This year, between 4.00-4.50. Next year, between 3.50-4.00. After that, sub-3.50. By then he should "know how to pitch."

Care to bet whether he'll be under 4.25 for the 2009 regular season? If I win, I get to change your avatar to whatever I want, for 3 months. If you win, you can do the same. If Buchholz doesn't get to 40 IP, it's a push. Deal?

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Postby Bakestar » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:08:29

Knapp and Brown might be our top two "upside" prospects. But, especially with Knapp as being younger and a pitcher, they're so far away that it's almost an abstraction at this point.
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Postby Wolfgang622 » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:10:48

Werthless wrote:
mozartpc27 wrote:
Werthless wrote:What do people expect Buchholz's ERA, in the next 2 years, to be? I'm especially interested in those people who say he's not a very good prospect.


This year, between 4.00-4.50. Next year, between 3.50-4.00. After that, sub-3.50. By then he should "know how to pitch."

Care to bet whether he'll be under 4.25 for the 2009 regular season? If I win, I get to change your avatar to whatever I want, for 3 months. If you win, you can do the same. If Buchholz doesn't get to 40 IP, it's a push. Deal?


Under 4.25? Hmmm. Let me think it over. I have to teach class in a few minutes. When I return, I'll have answer for you.
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Postby The Savior » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:11:01

Still would like to find a way to keep Drabek, Brown, and Taylor, but I'd be okay with that deal. I love Knapp, but his current delivery still scares me to death. And with Trevor May showing a dominating fastball, I don't think the system will take a huge hit. A good way to fill that hole would be to sign Colvin, big, tall, athletic high school arm with good projectibility and a 92-94mph fastball right now.

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Postby Wizlah » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:15:16

Trent Steele wrote:Happ, Knapp, Brown, and Donald? I'd be hard-pressed to turn that down


Would totally do that. trade vic in the offseason for some useful fringe pieces, and platoon taylor and mayberry for a bit in the OF until taylor's good to go.
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Postby Wolfgang622 » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:17:11

Wizlah wrote:
Trent Steele wrote:Happ, Knapp, Brown, and Donald? I'd be hard-pressed to turn that down


Would totally do that. trade vic in the offseason for some useful fringe pieces, and platoon taylor and mayberry for a bit in the OF until taylor's good to go.


Sound like a plan.
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Postby stevemc » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:19:25

Taylor is good to go now. There is no reason to wait except that Victorino may be the hottest player in baseball right now and, although it confounds me, Vic is now 7th in the league in hitting and has a .862 OPS.

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Postby Squire » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:19:32

SideshowBob wrote:
Trent Steele wrote:Happ, Knapp, Brown, and Donald? I'd be hard-pressed to turn that down


I'd be cool with that deal, but I think I'd prefer to give up Drabek + minor prospect than Knapp/Brown. Again, not that I'd be complaining.


I'm fine with that deal. I view our top 2 prospects as Drabek and Taylor so I'd be OK with this.

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Postby SideshowBob » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:19:52

Wizlah wrote:Would totally do that. trade vic in the offseason for some useful fringe pieces, and platoon taylor and mayberry for a bit in the OF until taylor's good to go.


Platoon? Aren't both Mayberry and Taylor right-handed?

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Postby Drugs Delaney » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:20:23

ReadingPhilly wrote:
Drugs Delaney wrote:
FTN wrote:
SI_JonHeymanAL exec: buchholz, bowden & westmoreland (names via yahoo) "won't get it done.'' for roy. i still like #phils in derby.
15 minutes ago from web


phillieszoneKerfeld will scout Washburn tonight and Halladay tomorrow.
25 minutes ago from txt


seriously, why are they bothering to scout Halladay and Washburn. These guys have been around forever, I think you know what they throw.

Surely you know that's not the only reason to send someone to scout a player, don't you?


the only thing they need to see at this point is that he doesn't get killed by a line drive. likely that they have tvs and maybe even high def.

Not the only reason for sending a scout. I can't believe you guys don't get that.
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Postby Grotewold » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:20:26

Victorino isn't going anywhere. I'm hoping we can move Taylor instead of Brown.

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Postby Trent Steele » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:21:10

Wizlah wrote:
Trent Steele wrote:Happ, Knapp, Brown, and Donald? I'd be hard-pressed to turn that down


Would totally do that. trade vic in the offseason for some useful fringe pieces, and platoon taylor and mayberry for a bit in the OF until taylor's good to go.


How about trade Howard in the offseason, move Ibanex to 1B, Taylor in LF, save lots of money to re-sign Roy Halladay.
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Postby momadance » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:23:26

Drugs Delaney wrote:
FTN wrote:But living in Boston (and having a gf who is a Sox fan) has kind of changed me.

Does anyone really believe FTN and his 60+ posts per day has a girlfriend who's a Sox fan?


I guess 1 and Woody aren't married either. Well ... It's more believable than naked parties.

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Postby stevemc » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:24:16

Trent Steele wrote:
Wizlah wrote:
Trent Steele wrote:Happ, Knapp, Brown, and Donald? I'd be hard-pressed to turn that down


Would totally do that. trade vic in the offseason for some useful fringe pieces, and platoon taylor and mayberry for a bit in the OF until taylor's good to go.


How about trade Howard in the offseason, move Ibanex to 1B, Taylor in LF, save lots of money to re-sign Roy Halladay.


talk about a PR nightmare. The Phils would never do it.

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Postby Trent Steele » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:25:08

stevemc wrote:
Trent Steele wrote:
Wizlah wrote:
Trent Steele wrote:Happ, Knapp, Brown, and Donald? I'd be hard-pressed to turn that down


Would totally do that. trade vic in the offseason for some useful fringe pieces, and platoon taylor and mayberry for a bit in the OF until taylor's good to go.


How about trade Howard in the offseason, move Ibanex to 1B, Taylor in LF, save lots of money to re-sign Roy Halladay.


talk about a PR nightmare. The Phils would never do it.


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Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:26:52

would you not miss popo :cry:

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Postby Grotewold » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:27:28

The most sensible and realistic thing, to me, is to just trade Taylor. Our lineup kicks ass.

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