It's a shame there's not another team willing to swap a high end pitching prospect for Michael Taylor. That would grease the wheels for the trade. Maybe the Giants could offer Alderson or Bumgarner? Alderson may be doable straight up, but I'm not very familiar with relative values. I would think a top OF prospect would be more desirable for SF than another SP.

Then we could put together a trade centered around Happ and Alderson, allowing us to keep Brown and Drabek, and still give up 2 quality pitchers that Toronto desires.

Floppy, what do the OF and SP prospects look like in the SD, DET, OAK, or KC systems? They could be a fit, based on their MLB rosters at least, and we don't compete directly with these teams.

Werthless wrote:It's a shame there's not another team willing to swap a high end pitching prospect for Michael Taylor. That would grease the wheels for the trade. Maybe the Giants could offer Alderson or Bumgarner? Alderson may be doable straight up, but I'm not very familiar with relative values. I would think a top OF prospect would be more desirable for SF than another SP.

Then we could put together a trade centered around Happ and Alderson, allowing us to keep Brown and Drabek, and still give up 2 quality pitchers that Toronto desires.

Floppy, what do the OF and SP prospects look like in the SD, DET, OAK, or KC systems? They could be a fit, based on their MLB rosters at least, and we don't compete directly with these teams.

Prospect for prospect deals are so very rare that even Mayberry for Golson was big news for that. I'm not sure any of those GMs are going to do a prospect for prospect deal.

Yeah I wouldnt count on that angle.

I just hate that we have to deal with this nonsense for the next 4+ days

And the Giants really, really really really really like Baumgardner (sp).

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Bakestar wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:

SideshowBob wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:IOW he had the same opinion of Raul as most around these parts.

To be fair, I think most of the Raul criticism revolved around the years of the deal (combined with his age) and the loss of a draft pick than a general knocking of his abilities.

To be really fair there was a tremendous amount of complaining that he was in decline, couldn't hit lefties and was an horrific fielder.

To be really really fair, I don't think anyone can honestly say they expected him to be anything close to what he's been so far. It's completely off the charts.

Grote did. But he feels that way about guys like Bruntlett too, so take it with a grain of salt

I no longer march with The General

lethal wrote:

Werthless wrote:It's a shame there's not another team willing to swap a high end pitching prospect for Michael Taylor. That would grease the wheels for the trade. Maybe the Giants could offer Alderson or Bumgarner? Alderson may be doable straight up, but I'm not very familiar with relative values. I would think a top OF prospect would be more desirable for SF than another SP.

Then we could put together a trade centered around Happ and Alderson, allowing us to keep Brown and Drabek, and still give up 2 quality pitchers that Toronto desires.

Floppy, what do the OF and SP prospects look like in the SD, DET, OAK, or KC systems? They could be a fit, based on their MLB rosters at least, and we don't compete directly with these teams.

Prospect for prospect deals are so very rare that even Mayberry for Golson was big news for that. I'm not sure any of those GMs are going to do a prospect for prospect deal.

I realize it's rare (no need for anyone to link to the wiki for loss aversion ), but I think it would help get over the hurdle of Taylor's value. Neither the Phils nor Toronto has an obvious place for him, but he's a top prospect who is close to ready. SF seems so logical. Look at their lineup for christ's sake.

ek wrote:slightly more positive there

Heyman basically confirmed what I was thinking last night about the Rangers. They're only showing interest in Halladay to make sure he doesn't get traded to LA Angels for nothing. Texas has more than enough prospects to get Halladay and have the Jays pay his salary for this year, but they know they're not a pitcher away from contending, and they will need their youngsters to make it easier for Hicks to find a buyer this fall.

If the Red Sox weren't in the same division, I'm certain they'd have Halladay right now. I'm sure they're willing to swap Buchholz for Halladay, but JPR must be asking for Bard as well.

WHERE IS BUSTER OLNEY. HE WAS SCHEDULED FOR A 1:00 CHAT ON ESPN

Trent Steele wrote:WHERE IS BUSTER OLNEY. HE WAS SCHEDULED FOR A 1:00 CHAT ON ESPN

After wading through a dozen Doc Halladay questions last week he must have called in dead. I think I would until after the trade deadline.

Trent Steele wrote:

ek wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AhvnU1e0o74E1NyUcw76gqQRvLYF.slug=ge-halladaytrade072709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

1.) Interesting but not surprising that JP did not make the trip to Seattle

2.) If Boston decides to offer Bucholtz, just forget it and move on.

I'm sure they've offered Buchholz already. They're just balking at including Bard, who tore through the minors in much of the same way Buchholz did.

It would be much more advantageous for them to seek Cliff Lee who probably wouldn't cost quite as much and would be almost as outstanding.

Haha, the Red Sox are not giving up Buchholz, Bard and Bowden.

If Bucholz is ML ready why trade, start him instead of Smoltz

This Gordon Edes seems like the baseball rumors equivalent of Zogby polling. Which ain't good.

Also, while I agree the prospect-for-prospect scenario to give us more ammo for Halladay isn't likely, I hope they're at least exploring a three-team deal that could have the same effect.

S2D wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:

ek wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AhvnU1e0o74E1NyUcw76gqQRvLYF.slug=ge-halladaytrade072709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

1.) Interesting but not surprising that JP did not make the trip to Seattle

2.) If Boston decides to offer Bucholtz, just forget it and move on.

I'm sure they've offered Buchholz already. They're just balking at including Bard, who tore through the minors in much of the same way Buchholz did.

It would be much more advantageous for them to seek Cliff Lee who probably wouldn't cost quite as much and would be almost as outstanding.

They should cash in on Bard ASAP. He had Steve Blass disease 2 years ago.

SI_JonHeyman: #phillies, #jays said to be at impasse at moment. maybe i'm an optimist. but this deal makes too much sense to die

dajafi wrote:This Gordon Edes seems like the baseball rumors equivalent of Zogby polling.

snob

Grotewold wrote:SI_JonHeyman: #phillies, #jays said to be at impasse at moment. maybe i'm an optimist. but this deal makes too much sense to die

oh, christ. this is ridiculous

Is Twitter always this slow? I have an account that I've basically never used, and now I am finding out why. The stupid site won't load anything.

Today is the first day I believe that this deal isn't going to happen.

Regardless, I'm going to see Drabek pitch tonight, and I'm going to treat it like it's the last time I see him.