Halladay IV: A New Hope

by **cshort** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 14:58:48

MLB Radio reporting that Halladay has informed the Blue Jays that he will be exploring free agency after the 2010 season. I wonder if this is the first step in taking control over where he ends up.

by **BassGuiFloyd** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 15:05:27

cshort wrote:MLB Radio reporting that Halladay has informed the Blue Jays that he will be exploring free agency after the 2010 season. I wonder if this is the first step in taking control over where he ends up.

Think that scares some teams away who were hoping to trade for him then immediately re-sign him?

by **The Dude** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 15:06:04

I think that was a more a message to the Jays

by **steven snell** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 15:07:09

Just wonderin, do we really want to 'give up the farm' for 2 years of Halladay. I just dont see him signing long term here. He doesnt guarantee two more WFC's.

by **The Dude** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 15:07:41

2 years is a long time for that kind of talent

by **The Red Tornado** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 15:08:52

steven snell wrote:Just wonderin, do we really want to 'give up the farm' for 2 years of Halladay. I just dont see him signing long term here. He doesnt guarantee two more WFC's.

so what, you get 2 draft picks if he goes elsewhere, totally worth it

by **S2D** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 15:10:06

steven snell wrote:Just wonderin, do we really want to 'give up the farm' for 2 years of Halladay. I just dont see him signing long term here. He doesnt guarantee two more WFC's.

1. We're not giving up the farm.

2. Yes, we do want 1.5 years of Halladay.

by **cshort** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 15:14:01

I wonder if Halladay is going to start taking control of the situation. If JPR trades him now, it probably gives him one definite shot at the playoffs this year, with possibly another next year. If JPR waits until after the season, then he loses the opportunity this year, and there's no guarantee the team he's traded to won't implode like the Mets due to injuries, etc. Granted he can choose where to go in free agency after that, but he's not getting any younger.

by **JFLNYC** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 15:29:10

Buster:

But if Halladay is not traded as of 4:01 p.m. in eight days, he will impact just one pennant race rather than two. And if he's not traded until the offseason, his contract situation will become a much greater concern for any team interested in acquiring him. We saw the salaries for free agents plummet during the winter of 2008-09, at least for players not named Teixeira or Sabathia or Burnett or Lowe, and the players' association is sensitive to this. Halladay is one of the few players who possess real negotiating leverage and still can land a huge contract. It could be that if Halladay remains untraded into the winter, he'll feel some pressure from within the union to use that leverage. In time, he could ask for an extension as a condition for him to agree to a trade, in the way that Johan Santana did before he extracted a $137.5 million deal out of the Mets.

Right now, interested teams are frothing over Halladay because he's an elite pitcher who has only about $22 million in salary obligation left on his deal. If the Jays don't trade Halladay before the deadline and the pitcher's stance changes during the offseason -- if Halladay, at age 32, starts to look for a four-year or five-year extension for $20 million to $22 million a year, the same kind of salary for which CC Sabathia signed -- it will completely undercut his trade value. If the Blue Jays intend to trade Halladay, they need to do so right now.

"Without a doubt," a rival executive said. "If they don't do it now, there are a lot of factors that could hurt his value down the road -- an injury, his free agency, maybe some contract demands. If you want to maximize his trade value, you have to trade him now."

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 15:41:13

cshort wrote:I prefer the high risk, high reward approach. I don't think we'll have to mortgage our future (just a piece of it), and I'm yet to be convinced that the ownership could put together a 10-15 year run of payoff caliber baseball, doing it the way they always have. This could be transformative for the franchise, making it a national name/brand, and a place players want to come to.

I think this is as much the point for me as anything. The only way the Phillies can increase their revenues over what they are earning now is by pushing themselves to the next level: national brand. They've got the types of players to do it - the cameras love Howard and Rollins, IMO, and of course to boot they are both good, and sometimes great, players. Landing the BIG FA pitcher and putting themselves into a position to repeat as WFC is the next step. Win a second one, and I think the transformation is complete: front-running little schmuck kids in Dallas, Chicago, and Queens will grow up Phillies fans, because they were THAT team during this period, just like front-running little schmuck kids in Philadelphia in the late 80s through the mid 90s grew up Cowboys, Bulls, and Mets fans because of the success those teams had during that period. Phillies jersey everywhere, Phillies hats #1 sellers in MLB, Phillies posters on the bedroom walls of nine year olds in Los Angeles. This is the glorious future I see, along with back 2 back WFC.

I can't wait to have bandwagon fans of the Phillies all over the country annoying their local-team rooting counterparts.

by **FTN** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 15:46:52

I kind of feel like there needs to be a newsletter given to every Phillies fan that explains that trading for Halladay is not "selling the farm" and that trading 3 or 4 of our prospects is not "mortgaging the future". I think maybe even a few in the front office need to read my newsletter

by **FTN** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 15:53:07

It's always sunny: A Phillies source told Rumblings you can forget that talk that the Phillies might be less motivated to deal for Roy Halladay because they're running away with the NL East. If anything, he said, the Phillies are now even more motivated. "The focus is not just to get there [to the postseason]," he said. "It's to get there and keep going. Making the playoffs is not the goal. To win the whole thing is the goal."

But to win the whole thing, the Phillies know there's a good possibility they'll have to beat one of the three AL East piranhas: the Yankees, Red Sox and Rays. And the Phillies just went 6-12 -- while allowing 5.5 runs per game -- versus the AL East in interleague play. If you subtract the now-injured Brett Myers, the Phillies' rotation went 3-7. with a 4.74 ERA, in that stretch.

And what's Halladay's career record against the AL East? How about 59-30? Don't think the Phillies haven't noticed that fun little stat.

- Stark

by **TenuredVulture** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 15:56:37

Stark may have pulled that whole thing out his ass, but it makes a lot of sense. You may not need Halladay to win the NL East. But it's gonna be tough for the Phils to beat Boston or NY in the WFC without him, and especially if the AL East team they end up playing has Halladay.

And let's not forget beating the Doodgers on the way.

by **Ace Rothstein** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 16:04:52

http://www.brewcrewball.com/2009/7/21/9 ... ay-request

i dont get this

by **philliesphhan** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 16:15:01

Who's eklund?

by **S2D** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 16:17:47

philliesphhan wrote:Who's eklund?

some fraud who basically reports hockey rumors and news.

by **steven snell** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 16:18:01

S2D wrote:
steven snell wrote:Just wonderin, do we really want to 'give up the farm' for 2 years of Halladay. I just dont see him signing long term here. He doesnt guarantee two more WFC's.

1. We're not giving up the farm.

2. Yes, we do want 1.5 years of Halladay.

Ok. I'll agree. So where do I get this newsletter?

by **kruker** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 16:19:34

FTN wrote:I kind of feel like there needs to be a newsletter given to every Phillies fan that explains that trading for Halladay is not "selling the farm" and that trading 3 or 4 of our prospects is not "mortgaging the future". I think maybe even a few in the front office need to read my newsletter

Keep on preaching the truth.

by **FTN** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 16:22:23

steven snell wrote:
S2D wrote:
steven snell wrote:Just wonderin, do we really want to 'give up the farm' for 2 years of Halladay. I just dont see him signing long term here. He doesnt guarantee two more WFC's.

1. We're not giving up the farm.

2. Yes, we do want 1.5 years of Halladay.

Ok. I'll agree. So where do I get this newsletter?

Here

by **cshort** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 16:23:09

Anyone have the rest of Olney's 8 reasons why Halladay should go to the Phillies?

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