Halladay IV: A New Hope

by **GrizzledVeteran** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 17:41:28

Does that mean it starts with Happ AND Drabek?

by **FTN** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 17:43:55

Mets will get him for 2 prospects off their GCL team

by **Bakestar** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 17:45:00

Not even BIG PELF?

by **Polar Bear Phan** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 17:45:18

FTN wrote:Mets will get him for 2 prospects off their GCL team

...and still only win 83 games in 2010.

by **steven snell** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 17:45:34

FTN wrote:Ian Stewart, Franklin Morales, Chacin and Friedrich

Are these guys any good, or have I been pwned?

by **FTN** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 17:46:47

steven snell wrote:
FTN wrote:Ian Stewart, Franklin Morales, Chacin and Friedrich

Are these guys any good, or have I been pwned?

oh those guys are good

by **ReadingPhilly** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 17:49:07

FTN wrote:
steven snell wrote:
FTN wrote:Ian Stewart, Franklin Morales, Chacin and Friedrich

Are these guys any good, or have I been pwned?

oh those guys are good

if only we would have had the chance to draft friedrich

by **CFP** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 17:56:51

It would appear Ricciardi is slowly backing his career into the toilet as more time passes.

by **cshort** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 18:09:33

So should we be concerned about Colorado?

by **Monkeyboy** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 18:15:55

Squire wrote:
Trent Steele wrote:
ek wrote:espn.com article

The Phillies have told Toronto they prefer not to include their top pitching prospect, Kyle Drabek, in a Halladay deal, but sources told Olney that the Phillies have not deemed Drabek untouchable

All part of Rube's master plan.

Drabek, Donald, d'Arnaud, Gose, Savery (or equivalent second tier pitcher).

FTW.

That's about what I would offer though I'd stop at 4 guys not 5.

SQUIRE

Scandalous!!!! You must be some kind of raving madman!!!

by **FTN** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 18:16:44

Im updating my projection

25% hes not traded
35% hes a phillie
40% hes traded somewhere else

by **Monkeyboy** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 18:16:45

steven snell wrote:Just wonderin, do we really want to 'give up the farm' for 2 years of Halladay. I just dont see him signing long term here. He doesnt guarantee two more WFC's.

Madness!!!

by **WilliamC** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 18:18:50

10% not traded
40% Phillies
50% elsewhere

by **JFLNYC** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 18:18:51

FTN wrote:Im updating my projection

25% hes not traded
35% hes a phillie
40% hes traded somewhere else

Mine are similar:

45% hes not traded
65% hes a phillie
70% hes traded somewhere else

by **kenrosenthal** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 18:25:27

this is serious. my friend who i went to high school with has a brother that works for the cousin of the assistant of the equipment manager of the nh fisher cats and he thinks that roy will get traded.

by **VFB** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 18:27:14

ek wrote:
VFB wrote:
The paper also reported the Blue Jays asked for Ubaldo Jimenez and prospects in exchange for Blue Jays ace Roy Halladay but Colorado thought the price was too high."

that from the toronto star?

denver post

by **Monkeyboy** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 18:27:19

FTN wrote:I kind of feel like there needs to be a newsletter given to every Phillies fan that explains that trading for Halladay is not "selling the farm" and that trading 3 or 4 of our prospects is not "mortgaging the future". I think maybe even a few in the front office need to read my newsletter

I agree that it's not necessarily mortaging the future, but I don't know how you can say that having 3 or 4 of our top prospects disappear doesn't hurt our ability to feed the big club with top talent, something that needs to happen to stay competitive. Less premier and developed talent leads to less margin for error when drafting and developing other talent. We'll need to be very good at signing and developing guys for the next 2 years to make up for the loss. I realize we would get 2 draft picks IF Halladay stays healthy and he becomes a free agent, but those two picks aren't guaranteed or even likely to be as good as the guys we're giving up, especially since Arbunkle and several of his top guys are gone. I'm hoping the guys that remain will do a good job evaluating and developing talent, but there is no guarantee of it, and again, that assumes Halladay stays healthy and we get the two picks. You keep acting like anything that disagrees with your premise is a crapshoot and everything that agrees with your premise is a stone cold lock. That's not the case, no matter how many times you say it.

by **philliesphhan** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 18:30:45

No, all he said is trading for Halladay isn't mortgaging the future.

by **FTN** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 18:31:23

There are a number of errors in your argument

by **Monkeyboy** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 18:34:53

philliesphhan wrote:No, all he said is trading for Halladay isn't mortgaging the future.

He's saying it like it's a fact, but it may very well be mortgaging the future if we don't replace those guys with premium talent and they go on to be solid MLers.

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