FTN wrote:There are a number of errors in your argument

I'll take your word for it.

#Rays scouting #angels system. RT @ed_price Angels interested in Kazmir. Moving $ could lead to Halladay, Lee or V-Mart.

-heyman

ek wrote:

4:39pm: ESPN.com's Buster Olney hears that Kyle Drabek is not untouchable, though at least one top Phillies executive would prefer to hold the team's top young talent. Olney's sources tell him that serious talks are expected to begin this weekend

This weekend? Rube too busy to pick up the phone tonight?

look. i was the first one on here to say i liked halladay. youre all just copying off me.

link?

From Zolecki tweet Halladay has given the Jays a list of teams.

momadance wrote:From Zolecki tweet Halladay has given the Jays a list of teams.

i'm guessing the phils, rockies and indians

momadance wrote:From Zolecki tweet Halladay has given the Jays a list of teams.

1. Phillies
2. Philadelphia Phillies
3. Phightin' Phillies

Monkeyboy wrote:

philliesphhan wrote:No, all he said is trading for Halladay isn't mortgaging the future.

He's saying it like it's a fact, but it may very well be mortgaging the future if we don't replace those guys with premium talent and they go on to be solid MLers.

Im saying it as an opinion backed up with concrete ideas. You're speaking in generalities. Want me to show you why I disagree?

I agree that it's not necessarily mortaging the future, but I don't know how you can say that having 3 or 4 of our top prospects disappear doesn't hurt our ability to feed the big club with top talent, something that needs to happen to stay competitive.

First, you don't know which prospects are involved. If its Drabek plus three guys not in the Taylor, Brown, Carrasco and Knapp group, then you've taken one impact guy and three lesser guys. Second, the current ML team is going to be competitive for the next 2.5 years, even if no one is added, either externally or from the farm. The ML team has a $130M payroll, and unlike, say, the Marlins, we don't have to unload assets to survive financially...its just the opposite actually. Yes, we do need cheap, quality talent coming through, but our ML team is pretty well set for the next few seasons.

Less premier and developed talent leads to less margin for error when drafting and developing other talent. We'll need to be very good at signing and developing guys for the next 2 years to make up for the loss. I realize we would get 2 draft picks IF Halladay stays healthy and he becomes a free agent, but those two picks aren't guaranteed or even likely to be as good as the guys we're giving up, especially since Arbunkle and several of his top guys are gone

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This highlights the weakness in your argument. Arbuckle's impact on our drafting was minimal. He favors, by all accounts, projectable righthanded pitchers, but Wolever likes the same types of guys, hence us drafting Brody Colvin in the 7th round of this past draft. Wolever is still here, he runs the drafts, and most all of the scouts remained here. Arbuckle's absence, if you could even figure out how big of a loss it is, seems minimal at best. Also, the names being given in trades are guys who were taken outside of the first round in every instance except for Drabek. Taylor was a 5th round pick who signed for slot money, Brown was a 20th round pick who signed for $200K. How much do you know about these guys? How closely do you follow the minors? Because the year Taylor was taken, he scuffled in the NYPL and was basically on no one's radar at all, including mine. Now hes an untouchable. Some people who argue we shouldnt be trading prospects (I won't name names) called Drabek a bust on draft day and said he'd never pan out. Now hes untouchable. Prospect status is a fluid thing. This year's untouchable is next year's down and out prospect. Carrasco was a stud of studs after he torched the SAL a few years ago. Now no one is talking about him being a.) untouchable b.) our of our 3 best prospects.

I'm hoping the guys that remain will do a good job evaluating and developing talent, but there is no guarantee of it, and again, that assumes Halladay stays healthy and we get the two picks. You keep acting like anything that disagrees with your premise is a crapshoot and everything that agrees with your premise is a stone cold lock. That's not the case, no matter how many times you say it.

This is the type of rhetoric Montgomery is trying to push, and its ridiculous. Here are the current rankings with the 2009 in season performance accounted for. Halladay has the highest Elias ranking of all pitchers in Major League Baseball. He'd basically have to completely tank for the rest of this season and have an awful 2010 to not be a Type A free agent.

Im not trying to contend that my opinion is the only one that matters. But I think that I have a decent idea. I spend as much time studying the minors as I do the majors. How much do you know about Dominic Brown, Kyle Drabek, Michael Taylor, Jason Donald and Lou Marson, among others, to know whether these guys are going to turn into all stars, average regulars, 4A players, or busts? I've outlined my case and backed it up with what I know and what I've gathered from other places. You're free to disagree with it, but if you want to, I'd appreciate you using facts and some type of concrete argument other than just generalities. There are enough people on this site who speak in vague generalities already.

The Indians aren't exactly contenders. Do the Rockies have enough money?

i dont know who any of those players are, so you know i'm not making it up

VFB wrote:i dont know who any of those players are, so you know i'm not making it up

jennings and hellickson are quality prospects.

hellickson isnt as good as drabek

jennings is better than taylor, equal to brown

ek wrote:where's that from

http://profile.typepad.com/nextdaytonmoore

looks very fake

Who should they target now? Washburn?

Bakestar wrote:Who should they target now? Washburn?

claudio vargas

FTN wrote:

Bakestar wrote:Who should they target now? Washburn?

claudio vargas

Brett Myers is coming back, that's almost LIKE trading for a 2nd starter!

ek wrote:

VFB wrote:

ek wrote:where's that from

http://profile.typepad.com/nextdaytonmoore

ok thx. never seen that site before

If you track it all the way back, it's one guys proposed deal on mlbtraderumors.com. Please exhale.