Halladay IV: A New Hope

by **Bakestar** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 09:15:50

Reluctant to give up the Knappy dugout but I would absolutely do that deal.

by **traderdave** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 09:26:51

I hope Rube sent a link of that chat to JP.

by **traderdave** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 09:28:05

JFLNYC wrote:Drabek gets the win tonight:

IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
8.0 6 2 2 1 7 0 3.12

It was nice knowing you, Kyle.

by **BIGPHILLY** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 09:33:19

Unfortunately - Toronto had scouts at Drabek's game - I have a strong feeling those scouts reports basically said "Any package has to have this kid".

We shall see.

by **GrizzledVeteran** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 09:46:31

JFLNYC wrote:
Brian (NJ)

Put together a package that is fair to both the Phillies and Jays for Doc.

Jim Callis (2:59 PM)

Michael Taylor, Jason Donald, Carlos Carrasco, Jason Knapp.

In a chat from ESPN.com yesterday.

Absolutely.

by **traderdave** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 09:49:17

BIGPHILLY wrote:Unfortunately - Toronto had scouts at Drabek's game - I have a strong feeling those scouts reports basically said "Any package has to have this kid".

We shall see.

This might actually be good news in that the rest of the package may be able to include lessor prospects.

by **BIGPHILLY** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:58:23

ek wrote:kurkjian said this morning that halladay prefers the AL because he doesn't want to hit? wha?

* Or you could just listen to Halladay directly:

"Halladay, who deftly maneuvered around a barrage of questions for more than 15 minutes, said he would not mind going to the National League or a bigger market.

"I'd rather hit than face [Derek] Jeter, [Alex Rodriguez], [Hideki] Matsui and [Mark] Teixeira," Halladay said."

- Maybe document this under ESPN atrocities.

by **Squire** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:19:11

I'm still of the view that of all the guys who might be in the deal, I'm most OK including Drabek.

Drabek, Donald, d'Arnaud and any arm that isn't Knapp, Carrasco, Happ.

by **Bucky** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:27:42

Realtor: Halladay pulls Toronto home off market

by **phatj** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:28:44

Squire wrote:I'm still of the view that of all the guys who might be in the deal, I'm most OK including Drabek.

Drabek, Donald, d'Arnaud and any arm that isn't Knapp, Carrasco, Happ.

Why would you prefer to trade Drabek over Knapp?

by **JFLNYC** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:31:49

Wrong shade of blue.

by **Squire** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:47:19

phatj wrote:
Squire wrote:I'm still of the view that of all the guys who might be in the deal, I'm most OK including Drabek.

Drabek, Donald, d'Arnaud and any arm that isn't Knapp, Carrasco, Happ.

Why would you prefer to trade Drabek over Knapp?

Well I was kinda thinking about the 4 main cogs - Drabek, Happ, Taylor and Brown. That being said, you could make an argument that Knapp's ceiling is just as high or higher. I think Knapp's Low A season is slightly more impressive. Knapp hasn't had TJ surgery yet. Really the answer is that Drabek is much more valuable than Knapp so by including Drabek I protect Brown and Taylor and Happ.

by **philliesphhan** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:54:20

BIGPHILLY wrote:
ek wrote:kurkjian said this morning that halladay prefers the AL because he doesn't want to hit? wha?

* Or you could just listen to Halladay directly:

"Halladay, who deftly maneuvered around a barrage of questions for more than 15 minutes, said he would not mind going to the National League or a bigger market.

"I'd rather hit than face [Derek] Jeter, [Alex Rodriguez], [Hideki] Matsui and [Mark] Teixeira," Halladay said."

- Maybe document this under ESPN atrocities.

Kurkjian said something earlier that proved he was far out of the loop in this. I think it was "I've heard the Phillies don't have enough"

by **Stay_Disappointed** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:07:47

I'm more optimistic right now than at any other point....its time for Rube to blow up the Death Star!

by **Phan In Phlorida** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:24:54

traderdave wrote:
BIGPHILLY wrote:Unfortunately - Toronto had scouts at Drabek's game - I have a strong feeling those scouts reports basically said "Any package has to have this kid".

We shall see.

This might actually be good news in that the rest of the package may be able to include lessor prospects.

Yup. If Drabek's the absolute dealbreaker, that can give Amaro some advantage (if he's willing to part with Drabek) and takes a little bargaining power from Ricciardi... Drabek + Taylor/Brown/Donald type prospect + 1 lesser prospect, or Drabek + 3 lesser prospects.

by **FTN** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:28:26

Buster Olney's 8 reasons Halladay to the Phillies makes sense

Making Hamels better: Halladay could help make Hamels even better than he is. Halladay's workout regimen is legendary, and you hear stories from guys who played with the Blue Jays about how Halladay's approach rubbed off on them naturally. He was a constant reminder to them how they could be better, both in their preparation and in their conditioning, even in how they conducted themselves. He is like a pace-setter on a track team who makes everybody behind him run better, faster, and more efficiently. Hamels could only benefit from having him as a teammate, in the same way that A.J. Burnett and others benefitted.

A legacy: The Phillies can create the kind of legacy that no Philadelphia sports franchise has had since the days of Connie Mack. There are at least a couple of folks within the Phillies' organization who privately argue that there is no need for the Phillies to get Halladay, that the team's success last year is something that the team can ride for awhile. Even without Halladay, one executive argues, these Phillies are good enough to contend for a title in 2009, and this is accurate. But with Halladay, the Phillies could be a buzzsaw for at least the next 15 months and could carve out a special place in the hearts of a sports-crazed city. The Phillies' front office should consider how the steady interest in the Red Sox has exploded across the U.S. in the aftermath of Boston's championships. Phillies Nation, perhaps?

by **karn** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:29:01

Dude. Donald isn't in the same galactoverse as Taylor, let alone Brown, at this point. Any deal that includes 2 of Drabek, Taylor, Brown or Knapp is the worst deal ever

by **Stay_Disappointed** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:31:55

[quote]There are at least a couple of folks within the Phillies' organization who privately argue that there is no need for the Phillies to get Halladay, that the team's success last year is something that the team can ride for awhile. quote]

these folks can diaf

by **FTN** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:33:28

definitely monty.

just shows you a loser mentality is possible in the season after winning a world series

by **stevemc** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:36:57

that's all well and good about Halladay rubbing off on Cole but I thought Cole kept up a crazy regimen himself (especially all the stretching he needs to do).

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