jerseyhoya wrote:It's weird cause a person hitting a person with a car/getting hit by a car probably isn't be an ideological issue, but four of the five people in the thread most plainly on the anti-Stewart side of things are some of the more consistent lefties on the board (Barry, SK, pacino, Youseff, with wwry's politics undisclosed).

Two theories:

1. Liberals car about justice (he killed a guy therefore he should be in jail), whereas conservatives care more about what is practical (he'll never be convicted, and he'll probably never kill anyone else, so why bother prosecuting him)

2. Most people on this board besides you are liberals. Most of the people posting in this thread are people who post in a lot of threads, and are therefore likely to have posted often in the politics thread, so you know their political leanings. If that's confusing, there's an analogy involving boys who where born on a Tuesday that might clear things up.

ashton wrote:2. Most people on this board besides you are liberals. Most of the people posting in this thread are people who post in a lot of threads, and are therefore likely to have posted often in the politics thread, so you know their political leanings. If that's confusing, there's an analogy involving boys who where born on a Tuesday that might clear things up.

I was thinking about this a bit earlier, but other than the four named, I don't think there are many (td11, PtK?) who can be counted on to take the appropriate position (almost always with the appropriate reasoning) on a given issue if it comes up. I might be forgetting a poster or two, but it's a definite niche on the board (even though the silent majority might also be godless commies), and they're almost all showing up here. I don't think there's any real rhyme or reason to it, but it struck me as interesting. And as I have demonstrated almost eighty thousand times previously on this board, when things strike me as interesting, I post them...even if there's nothing to them and no one else cares.

It should be mentioned it might be unfair for me to include Barry Jive, who is usually smart enough not to post in the politics thread here. But he's kinda had a tough time in this thread so I don't feel too terribly about it.

I should also probably add that there's nothing inherently wrong with being predictable about things or having a coherent set of beliefs when it comes to politics (or anything else, such as car crashes). I am sure that if I'm the last post in a thread most folks here can guess roughly what I said before they click through.

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SK790 wrote:Everyone also says the back tires kick out when you accelerate. I'm saying one guy slowed down and missed him, the other sped up and hit him. I'm not sure if that's significant.

Cars can be funny sometimes. There are thousands of variables at-play every time you turn the ignition and take it out onto the highway.

lol, he drives cars for a living.

The fact that he's a known hothead doesn't help his case.

Or it does help because despite being a known hothead, he's never killed anyone, an indication that he's grounded enough to know at which point to stop?

by this logic, nobody would ever murder since they never did it before.

The dude who died was clearly an idiot, but we can't even really consider the stupidity of his action in this case.

Um, why not? Why does he not get held accountable or responsible for his own personal decisions?

I didn't know death was the punishment for the crime of confronting another driver. you're ignoring the possibility that this could have been avoided. There are degrees of wrong here.

I also like the fact that people are willing to ignore the fact that athletes do incredibly dumb reactionary things all of the time in the heat of the moment if they're hot-headed idiots. there have been enough examples over the past 3 years alone that i don't need to point them out. we can just discount that because "cars are a funny game" and "he's never murdered before", tho.

In response to Savior/JH's query, I was definitely up and watching the story develop to the extent that I sent an email to my family saying "Tony Stewart may have murdered someone." When I did follow NASCAR quite a bit (late 90's to early 00's) Tony Stewart was my most hated driver. With that said, once I saw the video, I started siding quite a bit more with Stewart because I wasn't seeing the obvious intent implied by the eyewitnesses emotionally attached to Ward.

Fwiw, there's a super-slow motion version of it, and (a) Stewart isn't appreciably higher on the track than other cars (including the one that narrowly missed Ward), (b) Ward is lower on the track when Stewart reaches him and pretty much in the groove the other cars were taking, and (c) contrary to the eyewitness reports, it really doesn't appear as though Ward was actually run "over." It actually appears he grabs onto the wing of Stewart's car and it's at this point that Stewart's car begins veering to the right and up the track (not surprising considering the physics of suddenly adding ~150 pounds to the right side of his car...).

Though you're smart enough not to post much about politics, IIRC you would not soon be confused with Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren

More evidence for The Theory

Werthless wrote:

Barry Jive wrote:

The Savior wrote:i see a tragic event that would have been completely avoided if the deceased individual would have stayed in the car instead of running into the way of oncoming traffic.

A guy intentionally murdered him with a pile of speeding metal

This is probably the post that people disagree with, fyi, in case you are genuinely confused why people are criticizing your views in this thread.

when I explained that this post was not 100% serious and alluded to the worthlessness of declaring criminal acts in a message board thread I became a flip flopper. my presidential aspirations are ruined

z ipper wrote:big win for aj allmendinger yesterday

silly z ipper

well this thread took a turn. didn't realize racing was a political issue

for some reason this thread has become bad.....hard to figure out why

jerseyhoya wrote:

The Dude wrote:are you karn? saw a karn deleted post right before

This is a more interesting suggestion than mine of a cabal of leftists wanting to see Tony Stewart in jail because he is rich and white

this is so bad. so bad. so, so bad. embarrassing.

Youseff wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

The Dude wrote:are you karn? saw a karn deleted post right before

This is a more interesting suggestion than mine of a cabal of leftists wanting to see Tony Stewart in jail because he is rich and white

this is so bad. so bad. so, so bad. embarrassing.

It's no more embarrassing that 90% of the posts in the last 10 pages.

Given the bad direction this thread has taken, I'll add to it, mostly to discredit JH's theory. Basically, it seems to me if Ward had stayed in his car, he'd still be alive. Now, I understand that blaming the victim is bad, but sometimes the victim is really dumb.

pacino wrote:well this thread took a turn. didn't realize racing was a political issue

Pretty sure jh can turn anything into a political issue.

And frankly, I'm not sure whether to be insulted by being omitted from the leftist list. But maybe because my reluctance to make a snap judgment on this case doesn't conform to his #hottake theory.

The witch scene from Monty Pyhon's Holy Grail sums up this thread perfectly.

FWIW, I was on and saw Karn's post before he deleted it. He blamed Trayvon's ghost

this thread is fine. people arguing about stuff on the internet is the reason we're here. just because things get a little contentious doesn't mean we need 80000 ppl posting "wow this thread blowz." this is also not a court of law where we need to discuss things WITHIN THE LEGAL CONTEXT. people can just state their opinions on whether or not they think TS murdered that kid and no one needs to call them dumb for not know the legalese involved. if you think a thread sucks just don't read/post in that thread. boardin ain't hard

one time werthless said i was doing personal insults when i wrote "it's cute when you guys suck each other's dicks" re: jerz and him in some 2012 election thread. later i had to explain that i was merely joking and did not truly believe that jerz and him fellate each other regularly. it's like we don't know each other at all when the reality is, we know everything about bsg.

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Bucky!

wwry wrote:i want him in jail because he murdered the boy with his car. i want him executed because he's rich and white.

changed my mind again. This is what I really believe.

td11 wrote:this thread is fine. people arguing about stuff on the internet is the reason we're here. just because things get a little contentious doesn't mean we need 80000 ppl posting "wow this thread blowz." this is also not a court of law where we need to discuss things WITHIN THE LEGAL CONTEXT. people can just state their opinions on whether or not they think TS murdered that kid and no one needs to call them dumb for not know the legalese involved. if you think a thread sucks just don't read/post in that thread. boardin ain't hard

one time werthless said i was doing personal insults when i wrote "it's cute when you guys suck each other's dicks" re: jerz and him in some 2012 election thread. later i had to explain that i was merely joking and did not truly believe that jerz and him fellate each other regularly. it's like we don't know each other at all when the reality is, we know everything about bsg.

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your common sense opinion on boardin' is not needed around here, sonny.

TenuredVulture wrote:Given the bad direction this thread has taken, I'll add to it, mostly to discredit JH's theory. Basically, it seems to me if Ward had stayed in his car, he'd still be alive. Now, I understand that blaming the victim is bad, but sometimes the victim is really dumb.

Nah, my theory is still going strong.