2020 Flyers Offseason

by **CFP** » Mon Oct 05, 2020 14:00:36

Trade Ghost and give Pietrangelo 10 mil lol

by **heyeaglefn** » Mon Oct 05, 2020 14:04:18

CFP wrote:Trade Ghost and give Pietrangelo 10 mil lol

Eklund

Niskanen Shocks Flyers. He is Retiring.
Surprising move and puts the Flyers in play for Pietrangelo or Krug. CRAZY as this will this start things off...dominos?? Niskanen may be the first casualty of the pandemic. He still has games left. An older player who has made his money. doesn't want bubbles or risks, hard to blame him...
Source: Eklund

by **PTOITWCFTPP** » Mon Oct 05, 2020 14:07:53

CFP wrote:Trade Ghost and give Pietrangelo 10 mil lol

This is what I’ve been harping on for awhile. Pay someone to take JVR and sign Alex P. Well now with this cap savings, you can just trade a much more manageable contract (and higher upside player) and then you’d have the cap space to do it. Pietrangelo is a difference maker and gives the Flyers a cup winning foundation for years to come. Pietrangelo/Provorov/Sanheim/Myers/Hart for the next 5 years sounds great.

Nisky is only 33. This is kinda crazy

by **rolex** » Mon Oct 05, 2020 14:29:33

PTOITWCFTPP wrote:
CFP wrote:Trade Ghost and give Pietrangelo 10 mil lol

This is what I’ve been harping on for awhile. Pay someone to take JVR and sign Alex P. Well now with this cap savings, you can just trade a much more manageable contract (and higher upside player) and then you’d have the cap space to do it. Pietrangelo is a difference maker and gives the Flyers a cup winning foundation for years to come. Pietrangelo/Provorov/Sanheim/Myers/Hart for the next 5 years sounds great.

Nisky is only 33. This is kinda crazy

How are the Flyers going to protect Pietrangelo, Provorov, Sanheim and Myers in the Seattle draft? Won’t happen. The Flyers need to put Myers with Provorov and Sanheim with another partner. There are defensemen out there to be had that can fill that hole.

by **MFP** » Mon Oct 05, 2020 14:30:41

Sucks on the one hand to have to replace someone who had been a pretty effective partner for Provy, but man that cap space really gives them so many more options now.

by **heyeaglefn** » Mon Oct 05, 2020 14:33:20

MFP wrote:Sucks on the one hand to have to replace someone who had been a pretty effective partner for Provy, but man that cap space really gives them so many more options now.

His cap hit really wasn't that high for someone who is on your top defensive pairing.

by **heyeaglefn** » Mon Oct 05, 2020 14:40:44

Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli

#Flyers are closing in on an extension with D Justin Braun. Expecting a two-year deal with $1.8 million AAV.

by **MFP** » Mon Oct 05, 2020 14:43:30

heyeaglefn wrote:
MFP wrote:Sucks on the one hand to have to replace someone who had been a pretty effective partner for Provy, but man that cap space really gives them so many more options now.

His cap hit really wasn't that high for someone who is on your top defensive pairing.

I mean, sure? But it's still almost $6M more than they had and there are options available now that weren't there before he retired.

by **heyeaglefn** » Mon Oct 05, 2020 14:44:27

MFP wrote:
heyeaglefn wrote:
MFP wrote:Sucks on the one hand to have to replace someone who had been a pretty effective partner for Provy, but man that cap space really gives them so many more options now.

His cap hit really wasn't that high for someone who is on your top defensive pairing.

I mean, sure? But it's still almost $6M more than they had and there are options available now that weren't there before he retired.

I would say with the expansion draft and the value he gave that I would prefer giving him the 6 million versus someone else. The expansion draft really complicates things.

by **PTOITWCFTPP** » Mon Oct 05, 2020 14:53:47

Team could theoretically be
G-Coots-Jake
Lindblom-Hayes-TK
JVR-Frost-Farabee
NAK-Laughton-Raffl

Pietrangelo/Provorov
Sanheim/Myers
Hagg/Braun

Hart
Elliott

3C and 3D are the issues there. If you get Nolan Patrick back, that's a bonus. I'd suspect that Frost is going to be given every chance to make the team because he can theoretically score. You've got some other prospects that may be ready to contribute to the NHL club. Can also look at bringing Pitlick back.

I've been saying that if you wanted to make a splash FA signing, this was kind of the last offseason to do it as Hart is going to get paid next year. You also only have Coots signed to his ridiculous low ball contract for 2 more seasons. To offset the raises of Hart/Sanheim, that's where you pay Vegas to take JVR (or Voracek). The following year, if G wants to come back, you basically flip his and Coots contracts, as a Selke winner entering his age 29 season is going to basically double his salary and G is a declining player.

The stagnant cap for 3 seasons doesn't help things (81.5 mil), but if you want to win the Cup, you aren't going to find any better solution than just signing a potential Norris winner. I'd also be fine with Hall obviously, but give me Pietrangelo if all things are equal. St Louis is kinda screwed with their cap situation, so unless he is going to take a hometown discount, he is going to hit the market. He has been adamant that he loves St Louis and doesn't want to leave, but the Blues are in a tough spot. Plus they've already traded some draft capital (don't have a second rounder for next 2 drafts), so that may complicate things to pay someone to take like a Tyler Bozak or whomever. This is where the Flyers have an advantage (thanks Hextall) because they have so many prospects and have retained their valuable picks for the most part. I'm probably too optimistic but Fletcher values defense and this scenario absolutely is being discussed by the organization. The biggest obstacle though is the expansion draft protections for the following offseason.

Expansion Protections
7/3/1: G/Coots/TK/Hayes/Lindblom/Voracek/NAK...Pietrangelo/Provorov/Sanheim or Myers...Hart
9: G/Coots/TK (or Lindblom)/Hayes/Pietrangelo/Provorov/Sanheim/Myers/Hart

Now, you have to protect G and Hayes because they have NMC. If Seattle operates like Vegas did, you would have to pay them to take who you want them to take (this is precisely what Fletcher did while he was with Minnesota). You take JVR, we trade you a first round pick for a 6th round pick or whatever. If they don't and they want to go BPA, okay then you are going to lose somebody (JVR, Voracek, Hagg, Patrick, Lindblom/TK are the big names exposed). From what I have gathered, Frost and Farabee are not eligible to be selected, so you don't have to protect them.

Having said all that, I would still sign Pietrangelo if you could and figure this out over the next 15 months or whatever. For next season (whenever it happens), you have a really good team.

by **PTOITWCFTPP** » Mon Oct 05, 2020 14:54:51

heyeaglefn wrote:
MFP wrote:
heyeaglefn wrote:
MFP wrote:Sucks on the one hand to have to replace someone who had been a pretty effective partner for Provy, but man that cap space really gives them so many more options now.

His cap hit really wasn't that high for someone who is on your top defensive pairing.

I mean, sure? But it's still almost $6M more than they had and there are options available now that weren't there before he retired.

I would say with the expansion draft and the value he gave that I would prefer giving him the 6 million versus someone else. The expansion draft really complicates things.

It really does. If there wasn't an expansion draft with a normal cap uptick, we'd be in a fabulous position.

2 years for Braun? Ugh.

by **heyeaglefn** » Mon Oct 05, 2020 17:06:37

Hockey Buzz Eklund @Eklund

Flyers source tells me they will be aggressively pursuing Pietrangelo. In the end it will be the player’s call.

by **PTOITWCFTPP** » Mon Oct 05, 2020 17:18:04

Eklund blows except when it comes to the Flyers.

Basically here’s how I would look at things if they signed him. Would you trade TK for Pietrangelo, straight up? Of course you would and ultimately, that’s the worst case scenario for signing him. But you get this one magical year where everybody is still on the team and either entering their prime or at the tail end of their primes. I would guess a 7/60 contract is what we are looking at, only that low because of the stagnant cap.

by **ReadingPhilly** » Mon Oct 05, 2020 17:23:11

heyeaglefn wrote:Hockey Buzz Eklund @Eklund

Flyers source tells me they will be aggressively pursuing Pietrangelo. In the end it will be the player’s call.

lol

by **heyeaglefn** » Mon Oct 05, 2020 17:29:03

PTOITWCFTPP wrote:Eklund blows except when it comes to the Flyers.

Basically here’s how I would look at things if they signed him. Would you trade TK for Pietrangelo, straight up? Of course you would and ultimately, that’s the worst case scenario for signing him. But you get this one magical year where everybody is still on the team and either entering their prime or at the tail end of their primes. I would guess a 7/60 contract is what we are looking at, only that low because of the stagnant cap.

I think it could really blow their cap space though if they do that kind of deal.
Hart will get more money in 2021, Myers needs a contract, Coots needs a contract in 2022, Then you still have Hayes at 7 million, Voracek at 8.25 through 2023, JVR 7 million until 2023, Laughton needs a contract in 2021.

I guess if you can dump JVR and Voracek at some point but then you are opening more guys up for the expansion drafts.

by **PTOITWCFTPP** » Mon Oct 05, 2020 18:36:01

I made a quick Google doc just to gauge things. I didn't include Nolan Patrick at all.
20-21; Awesome team, Cup Contender (assumes Ghost is traded for cap relief, no players coming back)
21-22; Pretty good team, Cup Contender (assumes JVR goes in expansion draft, would play alot of cheap or young forwards)
22-23; Cap issues start here (last year of stagnant cap)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WAYez-naF3cRAusFkwqcQ2WIy3Gidk1KgIpleqmynms/edit#gid=0

by **heyeaglefn** » Tue Oct 06, 2020 08:21:53

@frank_seravalli: Speaking of Niskanen: All the best to Matt on a fantastic 13-year career and #StanleyCup

His recently freed up $5.75 million should not be seen as making #Flyers an entrant in the Alex Pietrangelo sweepstakes. PHI does not appear to be interested in the pending UFA.

by **ReadingPhilly** » Tue Oct 06, 2020 08:58:20

Bill Meltzer@billmeltzer

I would say the Flyers have a fighting chance of putting together a competitive offer for Pietrangelo and convincing him he could win a 2nd Cup here and be part of a dynamic top pairing with Provorov.

But a lock to be able to do it? No.

I think they'll try their best.

by **PTOITWCFTPP** » Tue Oct 06, 2020 09:43:51

They’d be foolish not to pursue, so those reports are not surprising

by **ReadingPhilly** » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:35:35

grade a name for the flyers in the athletic's final mock.

23. Philadelphia Flyers: Mavrik Bourque, C, Shawinigan-QMJHL
I’ve heard a few forwards mentioned to the Flyers. Greig is the one a lot of teams think they’ll take, but as I mentioned last week, I think that may just be connecting the fact his father scouts for the team. Bourque would make a lot of sense for them too.

he has ridly greig, who he mentions, going 22.

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