It's not a Marathon, it's a Sprint: Phillies September Dash

Re: It's not a Marathon, it's a Sprint: Phillies September D

Postby phorever » Tue Sep 08, 2020 06:02:58

fangraphs has the phils playoff odds ever so slightly higher (89.4%) than they were before the mets series (89.0%), but a disappointingly big step lower than they were (93.4%) after winning the 1st of the four games. the scary thing is that the mets are, on paper, the 2nd or 3rd best team in the league (lad and maybe atl are better), and we have to play them three more times right after the insane baseball marathon against the fish. i'm almost positive that neither the fangraphs nor 538 playoff odds factor in the extra challenge of the phils having to play more september games than any of their september opponents or main playoff rivals. even though our chance of the playoffs looks better than it did entering the stretch run of 2007 , i feel like actually getting there will be almost as amazing as it was in 2007.
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Re: It's not a Marathon, it's a Sprint: Phillies September D

Postby Monkeyboy » Tue Sep 08, 2020 06:21:40

With talk like that, would Hans Brinker have saved his father's life and had the money to buy his sister nice skates?

I don't think so.
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Re: It's not a Marathon, it's a Sprint: Phillies September D

Postby The B1G Piece » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:24:58

phorever wrote:fangraphs has the phils playoff odds ever so slightly higher (89.4%) than they were before the mets series (89.0%), but a disappointingly big step lower than they were (93.4%) after winning the 1st of the four games. the scary thing is that the mets are, on paper, the 2nd or 3rd best team in the league (lad and maybe atl are better), and we have to play them three more times right after the insane baseball marathon against the fish. i'm almost positive that neither the fangraphs nor 538 playoff odds factor in the extra challenge of the phils having to play more september games than any of their september opponents or main playoff rivals. even though our chance of the playoffs looks better than it did entering the stretch run of 2007 , i feel like actually getting there will be almost as amazing as it was in 2007.

I hear you on the Mets, but we could get lucky and miss DeGrom. The rest of their pitching staff doesn't scare me even with Lugo having a great year.

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Re: It's not a Marathon, it's a Sprint: Phillies September D

Postby MoBettle » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:37:48

Losing 14-1 to a team you are directly competing with probably hurts your computer numbers.

It’s probably hard for these models to account for the relatively big differences in games played the Phillies still have. Having 6 fewer losses than the Mets this late in the season normally feels pretty safe but less so when you have 5 more opportunities to lose games. Things should be a fair bit clearer after the next week (obviously).
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Re: It's not a Marathon, it's a Sprint: Phillies September D

Postby Stripes » Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:20:02

phorever wrote:fangraphs has the phils playoff odds ever so slightly higher (89.4%) than they were before the mets series (89.0%), but a disappointingly big step lower than they were (93.4%) after winning the 1st of the four games. the scary thing is that the mets are, on paper, the 2nd or 3rd best team in the league (lad and maybe atl are better), and we have to play them three more times right after the insane baseball marathon against the fish. i'm almost positive that neither the fangraphs nor 538 playoff odds factor in the extra challenge of the phils having to play more september games than any of their september opponents or main playoff rivals. even though our chance of the playoffs looks better than it did entering the stretch run of 2007 , i feel like actually getting there will be almost as amazing as it was in 2007.



How in the hell are the Mets the second or third best team in the NL? LAD, ATL, and SD are all clearly better, and the Cubs and Phils are at as good. After deGrom, they have NO pitching!
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Re: It's not a Marathon, it's a Sprint: Phillies September D

Postby Stripes » Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:21:04

MoBettle wrote:Losing 14-1 to a team you are directly competing with probably hurts your computer numbers.


Yeah, I was wondering how we had a negative run differential, then I remembered 14-1
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Re: It's not a Marathon, it's a Sprint: Phillies September D

Postby swishnicholson » Tue Sep 08, 2020 19:17:39

We would be 2.5 games out of a regular wild card spot in the usual format, so I'm okay with this year's formula.
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Re: It's not a Marathon, it's a Sprint: Phillies September D

Postby Ace Rothstein » Tue Sep 08, 2020 19:18:39

swishnicholson wrote:We would be 2.5 games out of a regular wild card spot in the usual format, so I'm okay with this year's formula.


Wouldn’t they be the 2nd WC team behind the Padres?

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Re: It's not a Marathon, it's a Sprint: Phillies September D

Postby slugsrbad » Tue Sep 08, 2020 19:28:57

Ace Rothstein wrote:
swishnicholson wrote:We would be 2.5 games out of a regular wild card spot in the usual format, so I'm okay with this year's formula.


Wouldn’t they be the 2nd WC team behind the Padres?


Correct. So we're currently a playoff team in both the expanded wild card and covid rules. #gous

Also, it is weird to me that 2 wild cards have been a thing since 2012. Also the Phillies and Rockies are the NL teams to never qualify as Wild Card teams.
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Re: It's not a Marathon, it's a Sprint: Phillies September D

Postby swishnicholson » Tue Sep 08, 2020 19:31:39

slugsrbad wrote:
Ace Rothstein wrote:
swishnicholson wrote:We would be 2.5 games out of a regular wild card spot in the usual format, so I'm okay with this year's formula.


Wouldn’t they be the 2nd WC team behind the Padres?


Correct. So we're currently a playoff team in both the expanded wild card and covid rules. #gous

Also, it is weird to me that 2 wild cards have been a thing since 2012. Also the Phillies and Rockies are the NL teams to never qualify as Wild Card teams.


Duh, you're both right. And i was looking it up for the sole purpose of finding out whether they would qualify under the old rules. Well, not the OLD old rules. The new old rules.
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Re: It's not a Marathon, it's a Sprint: Phillies September D

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Sep 09, 2020 15:29:03

I will be happy with winning the series 4-3. That will keep us ahead of the Marlins and the Mets and get us a few more steps closer to the finish line. Split the DHs and win 2 of the other 3.
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Re: It's not a Marathon, it's a Sprint: Phillies September D

Postby Slowhand » Wed Sep 09, 2020 15:45:13

I will only be happy with us sweeping the 7 game series. I do not think I am asking for much.
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Re: It's not a Marathon, it's a Sprint: Phillies September D

Postby Bucky » Wed Sep 09, 2020 16:30:56

Slowhand wrote:I will only be happy with us sweeping the 7 game series. I do not think I am asking for much.

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Re: It's not a Marathon, it's a Sprint: Phillies September D

Postby Titlehungry » Thu Sep 10, 2020 00:12:36

Seven game series and still somehow miss Dontrelle Willis
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Re: It's not a Marathon, it's a Sprint: Phillies September D

Postby 1 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 00:19:24

Titlehungry wrote:Seven game series and still somehow miss Dontrelle Willis

Charlie Hough is pitching game 6
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Re: It's not a Marathon, it's a Sprint: Phillies September D

Postby Titlehungry » Thu Sep 10, 2020 01:16:20

1 wrote:
Titlehungry wrote:Seven game series and still somehow miss Dontrelle Willis

Charlie Hough is pitching game 6


Made me Wiki Charlie Hough... dude is 72... looked older than that when he was pitching... was expecting like 84 or something
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Re: It's not a Marathon, it's a Sprint: Phillies September D

Postby phorever » Thu Sep 10, 2020 06:21:45

formerly phils-only prospect specialist and now the lead prospect analyst for fg, eric longenhaden, has posted updates on the nl prospects in the majors of special training camps. most intriguing update is for possible jtr successor marcan. both bat and glove have taken steps forward. still far from a top prespect, but a 21 year old catcher doing well at the upper-minors-ish level is not a bad thing.
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Re: It's not a Marathon, it's a Sprint: Phillies September D

Postby jamiethekiller » Thu Sep 10, 2020 08:41:50

phorever wrote:formerly phils-only prospect specialist and now the lead prospect analyst for fg, eric longenhaden, has posted updates on the nl prospects in the majors of special training camps. most intriguing update is for possible jtr successor marcan. both bat and glove have taken steps forward. still far from a top prespect, but a 21 year old catcher doing well at the upper-minors-ish level is not a bad thing.


feel like every 3 years we got a catcher thats on the edge of being a top prospect and they all turn out to be a bust.

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Re: It's not a Marathon, it's a Sprint: Phillies September D

Postby Uncle Milty » Thu Sep 10, 2020 09:45:58

Not sure if numbers back it up but it seems catcher is the hardest position to graduate from top prospect to MLB star. The shine tarnishes when they reach the high minors.
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Re: It's not a Marathon, it's a Sprint: Phillies September D

Postby BigEd76 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 09:53:53

Besides Marchan, they also have about half a dozen other international catching prospects making $500K in the lower levels

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