Sixers 2020 Offseason Thread 1.0

Re: Sixers 2020 Offseason Thread 1.0

Postby jamiethekiller » Mon Aug 24, 2020 09:45:18

players seem to be pretty pissed that he was let go

jamiethekiller
Plays the Game the Right Way
Plays the Game the Right Way
 
Posts: 26938
Joined: Sun Dec 31, 2006 03:31:02

Re: Sixers 2020 Offseason Thread 1.0

Postby heyeaglefn » Mon Aug 24, 2020 09:46:23

joe table wrote:Wasn’t Udoka only here for like a year? He’s not a Brett crony

Yes but did we notice any improvement at all this year from any part of the coaching? This may have been the entire staff's worst year.

heyeaglefn
Space Cadet
Space Cadet
 
Posts: 24752
Joined: Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:21:35

Re: Sixers 2020 Offseason Thread 1.0

Postby jamiethekiller » Mon Aug 24, 2020 09:47:38

Udoka was head of defense this season, right? maybe the worst our defense has looked for all of BB's tenure.

jamiethekiller
Plays the Game the Right Way
Plays the Game the Right Way
 
Posts: 26938
Joined: Sun Dec 31, 2006 03:31:02

Re: Sixers 2020 Offseason Thread 1.0

Postby Napalm » Mon Aug 24, 2020 09:50:48

Is Luc Mbah a Moute a coach yet? Feel like we should get him on staff

Napalm
You've Got to Be Kidding Me!
You've Got to Be Kidding Me!
 
Posts: 61625
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2009 16:16:44

Re: Sixers 2020 Offseason Thread 1.0

Postby Luzinski's Gut » Mon Aug 24, 2020 09:51:20

Front office and coaching take: Get rid of them both, and now. Keeping one of them doesn't solve anything. This league is based off three point shooting and defense, and he built a team that would have been awesome in 1988 with all the size. Need at least four above average shooters, with two of them coming off the bench. Brown was hamstrung with Horford (terrible signing) and Embiid because they would get doubled and there wasn't a consistent long range threat. Harris and Richardson are so-so from deep, you need snipers even if you pay for it on the defensive end.

Talent take: Honestly one of the most difficult teams to assess. Does Ben ever get a jump shot that he can consistently drain from 18 feet? Does Embiid stay healthy? Horford and Harris have close to immovable contracts, you have to pay to get them elsewhere, and I think Horford will never get traded due to age, skill decline and contract. No real shooters. Shake Milton is a scrub, the Celtics ate him alive all series.

Overall, the franchise obviously has a ton of talent on the individual level, but the chaos associated with lack of coaching and talent management is really disturbing. Don't like that list of coaches, Wright can stay at Villanova and is already considered an all time great. Sad state of affairs.
"Of all of Ruben's gifts, the ability to simultaneously punch 4 million people in the dick is probably his most impressive." Endless Summer
Luzinski's Gut
There's Our Old Friend
There's Our Old Friend
 
Posts: 4862
Joined: Fri Jul 10, 2009 20:12:13
Location: Arrakis

Re: Sixers 2020 Offseason Thread 1.0

Postby MoBettle » Mon Aug 24, 2020 09:51:25

Napalm wrote:Is Luc Mbah Moute a coach yet? Feel like we should get him on staff

Have to see what Jim Lynam thinks about that.
Two days later I get a text back that says I'm a basketball player and a businessman, not a Thundercat.

MoBettle
Plays the Game the Right Way
Plays the Game the Right Way
 
Posts: 29294
Joined: Fri Dec 29, 2006 00:45:37
Location: All the way up.

Re: Sixers 2020 Offseason Thread 1.0

Postby Napalm » Mon Aug 24, 2020 09:53:33

MoBettle wrote:
Napalm wrote:Is Luc Mbah Moute a coach yet? Feel like we should get him on staff

Have to see what Jim Lynam thinks about that.

I'd also like Randy Ayers' opinion

Napalm
You've Got to Be Kidding Me!
You've Got to Be Kidding Me!
 
Posts: 61625
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2009 16:16:44

Re: Sixers 2020 Offseason Thread 1.0

Postby ek20 » Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:01:41

I dont see Wright leaving Nova. The rest of that list who knows
ek20
There's Our Old Friend
There's Our Old Friend
 
Posts: 2061
Joined: Fri May 08, 2020 11:24:16

Re: Sixers 2020 Offseason Thread 1.0

Postby CFP » Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:08:20

ek20 wrote:I dont see Wright leaving Nova. The rest of that list who knows


Do we know if Lue is actually good? I know when LeBron is basically your coach you just get minimized but maybe he's good?

CFP
Plays the Game the Right Way
Plays the Game the Right Way
 
Posts: 30576
Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 20:01:49
Location: Everybody knows this is nowhere

Re: Sixers 2020 Offseason Thread 1.0

Postby Gimpy » Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:09:10

I will say this in Brand’s defense: the team would be really good (and not out of place in this millennium) if Harris scored more and more efficiently and Richardson played more like his Miami version.

I think he botched the roster. But he’s collected good talent (disregarding the price) and it would be fair to let him try to get a coach that will maximize his team.

I would like to clean house, but I won’t be too upset if Brand gets another shot. Also, Brand is a smart guy who hasn’t been in the job long. It’s a harder job now that we’re capped out, but we shouldn’t discount the possibility of him getting better at it.

Should he be fired as a punitive measure for fucking up the current roster or as a preventative measure to keep him from fucking it up more? If it’s the former, are we actually accomplishing anything productive by firing him? If it’s the latter, maybe we should account for him improving.

It would’ve been nice for him to go through growing pains when we weren’t trying to compete for a title, but that’s life sometimes.

In under 18 hours I swung back from being done with basketball to being a hopeful optimist again. Record timing.

Gimpy
Space Cadet
Space Cadet
 
Posts: 15670
Joined: Mon Mar 28, 2011 19:11:47

Re: Sixers 2020 Offseason Thread 1.0

Postby azrider » Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:19:16

i pretty much think the sixers would be on his very, very shortlist for wright making the jump to the NBA. his family loves philly. i think it's a perfect time for him. the college season is a question mark. it allows the university to save money on his salary and forced to go the interim route with kyle neptune. he's actually doing neptune and the rest of the staff a favor by letting them see how they do in whatever kinda year they put together for college hoops. if let's say he goes to philly and gives it a couple of years and fails, he can live out the rest of his days on tobacco road when a certain job there inevitably opens up.

azrider
Space Cadet
Space Cadet
 
Posts: 10945
Joined: Mon Jan 15, 2007 19:09:13
Location: snottsdale, arizona

Re: Sixers 2020 Offseason Thread 1.0

Postby Eddie Jordan » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:01:17

Lots of doom and gloom with the Tobi and Al deals all over local and national media. The Sixers may have 2 of the 5 worst contracts in the NBA, which is special.

I feel like they can fix Tobias still. He was an elite corner 3 guy before he got here. I am gonna hold out hope that a new coach can get him to be a catch and shoot 3 guy at the 4, stop putting him at the 3 where he just doesn't fit. If he has a mismatch on a hard close out, drive. No more 1995 plodding post ups that result in 15 foot turnaround jumpers. No more ball stopping.
Continued success, thanks for comin' on the show!

Eddie Jordan
Space Cadet
Space Cadet
 
Posts: 11824
Joined: Fri Aug 06, 2010 02:35:55

Re: Sixers 2020 Offseason Thread 1.0

Postby JFLNYC » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:05:44

Yeah, contract aside, Tobi is hardly irredeemable. He’s a real pro, works hard and with the right coach in the right system there’s no reason he can’t contribute.
Jamie

"A man who tells lies . . . merely hides the truth. But a man who tells half-lies has forgotten where he put it."

JFLNYC
BSG MVP
BSG MVP
 
Posts: 34321
Joined: Wed Jan 03, 2007 13:16:48
Location: Location, Location!

Re: Sixers 2020 Offseason Thread 1.0

Postby Gimpy » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:07:39

We used to run the hammer for Dario and I expected us to do it a lot for Tobi when he got here and I don’t really remember that ever being a part of our playbook. Am I just not recalling it or did we not really run it?

Gimpy
Space Cadet
Space Cadet
 
Posts: 15670
Joined: Mon Mar 28, 2011 19:11:47

Re: Sixers 2020 Offseason Thread 1.0

Postby azrider » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:39:40

Gimpy wrote:We used to run the hammer for Dario and I expected us to do it a lot for Tobi when he got here and I don’t really remember that ever being a part of our playbook. Am I just not recalling it or did we not really run it?


good point.... i'm having a difficult time remembering this either.

azrider
Space Cadet
Space Cadet
 
Posts: 10945
Joined: Mon Jan 15, 2007 19:09:13
Location: snottsdale, arizona

Re: Sixers 2020 Offseason Thread 1.0

Postby PSUsarge » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:56:01

azrider wrote:i pretty much think the sixers would be on his very, very shortlist for wright making the jump to the NBA. his family loves philly. i think it's a perfect time for him. the college season is a question mark. it allows the university to save money on his salary and forced to go the interim route with kyle neptune. he's actually doing neptune and the rest of the staff a favor by letting them see how they do in whatever kinda year they put together for college hoops. if let's say he goes to philly and gives it a couple of years and fails, he can live out the rest of his days on tobacco road when a certain job there inevitably opens up.

While I agree that the Sixers are pretty much the only NBA job Jay would consider (even he's said as much), I just don't see why he leaves Villanova unless he's just completely bored (and he doesn't seem to be).

Also, pretty sure a healthy chunk of his compensation is covered by boosters, plus basketball is Villanova's top marketing vehicle, so it doesn't make a lot of sense to make that the focus of any cost saving measures IMO.

Eddie Jordan wrote:I feel like they can fix Tobias still. He was an elite corner 3 guy before he got here. I am gonna hold out hope that a new coach can get him to be a catch and shoot 3 guy at the 4, stop putting him at the 3 where he just doesn't fit. If he has a mismatch on a hard close out, drive. No more 1995 plodding post ups that result in 15 foot turnaround jumpers. No more ball stopping.


JFLNYC wrote:Yeah, contract aside, Tobi is hardly irredeemable. He’s a real pro, works hard and with the right coach in the right system there’s no reason he can’t contribute.

Agree that Tobias can turn it around, but certainly very concerned with what we've seen over the past two seasons, particularly in the playoffs. I worry about his assertiveness and I'm just not sure how you fix that - hopefully through confidence via a better scheme and position.

PSUsarge
Dropped Anchor
Dropped Anchor
 
Posts: 7286
Joined: Wed Apr 22, 2009 21:14:33
Location: 215

Re: Sixers 2020 Offseason Thread 1.0

Postby Eddie Jordan » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:39:52

Seems wrong that the team hasn't officially fired BB yet and there are already names being leaked to the press for a replacement. I can't stand Brett as a coach but he doesn't deserve to sit through something like that playing out in the media. Fire him now
Continued success, thanks for comin' on the show!

Eddie Jordan
Space Cadet
Space Cadet
 
Posts: 11824
Joined: Fri Aug 06, 2010 02:35:55

Re: Sixers 2020 Offseason Thread 1.0

Postby ek20 » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:40:21

Not surprised at all
ek20
There's Our Old Friend
There's Our Old Friend
 
Posts: 2061
Joined: Fri May 08, 2020 11:24:16

Re: Sixers 2020 Offseason Thread 1.0

Postby Grotewold » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:41:25

His assertive will probably always wax and wane, but I thought it was strong the past few games. Just in the wrong way -- stopping the ball, yeah, and just sort of crashing into people in the lane.

Blows my mind there wasn't a concerted effort to park one of him or Horford in the corner, trigger finger primed, at all times.

Grotewold
BSG MVP
BSG MVP
 
Posts: 51642
Joined: Wed Jan 03, 2007 09:40:10

Re: Sixers 2020 Offseason Thread 1.0

Postby Eddie Jordan » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:44:22

Grotewold wrote:His assertive will probably always wax and wane, but I thought it was strong the past few games. Just in the wrong way -- stopping the ball, yeah, and just sort of crashing into people in the lane.

Blows my mind there wasn't a concerted effort to park one of him or Horford in the corner, trigger finger primed, at all times.


I think Brett felt the weight of the situation and probably coached his worst 4 games of his entire tenure. Nothing really made a whole lot of sense, he's fortunate that the team didn't just outright quit because otherwise you easily could have had a few more games that resembled game 2.
Continued success, thanks for comin' on the show!

Eddie Jordan
Space Cadet
Space Cadet
 
Posts: 11824
Joined: Fri Aug 06, 2010 02:35:55

PreviousNext