The B1G Piece wrote:

CFP wrote:Richardson threw Brett under the bus

https://www.phillyvoice.com/sixers-josh ... rs-future/

Think that's also directed to #21 and #25.

That's not really throwing Brown under the bus. Its a buck stops hear type thing, so sure the coach yada yada do better, but also def directed at the players, who should be holding each other accountable.

This was the whole dynamic when Richardson held a closed door mtg early in the season as a guy who was new to the team. Ben and Joel are not lockerroom leaders, so he and Tobias had to do it.

PSUsarge wrote:

Butler was lukewarm on re-signing with Philly last off-season and the organization was aware, but the Sixers were still prepared to offer him a max contract if he wouldn’t take any recruiting visits, sources said.

Butler did not agree to that stipulation, sources said, and both sides ended up parting ways. Butler was a force for the Sixers and proved to be their finisher down the stretch, but he wasn’t sold that the team was invested in winning, and his leadership style rubbed some the wrong way at times.

Brown didn’t appreciate how outspoken Butler was with his coaching tactics, and Ben Simmons once took issue with a text message Butler sent in a team group chat that instructed Simmons what not to do in an upcoming game against Brooklyn, sources said.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-76-ers ... 42482.html

Says it all about the franchise.

“Prepared to offer.” So, we never offered a max. Never recruited him to stay.

When you call out the coach and his son you usually end up on a different team

Then it’s a massive brand failure for not doing the necessary homework. Either way, it’s beyond stupid.

Traded Saric and Cov for Horford.

Pretty sure this is a situation where I'm not on the side of any party. This is still Jimmy Butler we're talking about, who's forced himself off of three different teams because they weren't committed to winning enough for his liking. I still don't think firing Brett, trading Ben, and keeping 30-year old Jimmy Butler on a max contract would have been a good solution either, just a different one. Butler would have been the worst three point shooter on the Sixers this year, and on roughly the same amount of attempts per game as Matisse Thybulle (who was 10 percent higher) in almost double the minutes.

The Heat are actually kinda the perfect comparison to what the optimal Sixers lineup would be with Butler and no Simmons, a well-coached team with a respected GM, Butler running the show surrounded by shooters and guys who can put the ball on the floor and a near-elite big man. The net result is a team that's almost certainly getting bounced in the second round. Are they better off than the Sixers currently? Yes. But they're still not winning anything meaningful.

All fair, but I think there is something to be said for running it back with a roster that was a quadruple doink and/or not sick Embiid and/or not ice cold Tobias Harris away from the ECF at LEAST. There were some fit issues but they made it work that well without an off-season to fully plan and practice.

I guess ppl choose to forget that Butler choked at the end of Raps game 7 last season. Also got eaten alive by Kawhi over and over, while Ben played him as well as anyone.

Can always hang your hat on Jimmy beating the Celtics on a jumper in the regular season.

PSUsarge wrote:All fair, but I think there is something to be said for running it back with a roster that was a quadruple doink and/or not sick Embiid and/or not ice cold Tobias Harris away from the ECF at LEAST. There were some fit issues but they made it work that well without an off-season to fully plan and practice.

This was never an option, that's the point.

i love nova, i love wright - but i feel like he's a college coach and i'm nervous to see what he'd do with grown millionaires with attitudes.

I still don’t get how you trade for jimmy butler and not be prepared for any of those supposed issues. Like that’s all pretty light compared to the stuff he pulled in Minny.

Even him being 30 and not wanting to give him 5 years, again why trade for him if that’s a concern.

MoBettle wrote:I still don’t get how you trade for jimmy butler and not be prepared for any of those supposed issues. Like that’s all pretty light compared to the stuff he pulled in Minny.

Even him being 30 and not wanting to give him 5 years, again why trade for him if that’s a concern.

If any org can not think it through, you know this one can

MoBettle wrote:I still don’t get how you trade for jimmy butler and not be prepared for any of those supposed issues. Like that’s all pretty light compared to the stuff he pulled in Minny.

Even him being 30 and not wanting to give him 5 years, again why trade for him if that’s a concern.

This is really everything, isn’t it?

as disappointing as Harris has been I'd rather be stuck with Tobias on a crummy deal than Butler on one. they never should have traded for Butler in the first place (not that it's the end all but .244 from deep this year on 2.1 a game)

gr wrote:

The B1G Piece wrote:

CFP wrote:Richardson threw Brett under the bus

https://www.phillyvoice.com/sixers-josh ... rs-future/

Think that's also directed to #21 and #25.

That's not really throwing Brown under the bus. Its a buck stops hear type thing, so sure the coach yada yada do better, but also def directed at the players, who should be holding each other accountable.

This was the whole dynamic when Richardson held a closed door mtg early in the season as a guy who was new to the team. Ben and Joel are not lockerroom leaders, so he and Tobias had to do it.

At a high level, I read it more as frustration towards Ben and Joel and Brown is the unfortunate fall guy.

Both guys are extremely talent and in NBA terms, still young. It is just maddening because I think there is something to be said for the 'coddling' BB directed their way. With young players, perhaps it was a defense tactic to protect younger players, but this organization won't reach their potential until Simmons and Embiid come of age professionally.

gr wrote:

The B1G Piece wrote:

CFP wrote:Richardson threw Brett under the bus

https://www.phillyvoice.com/sixers-josh ... rs-future/

Think that's also directed to #21 and #25.

That's not really throwing Brown under the bus. Its a buck stops hear type thing, so sure the coach yada yada do better, but also def directed at the players, who should be holding each other accountable.

This was the whole dynamic when Richardson held a closed door mtg early in the season as a guy who was new to the team. Ben and Joel are not lockerroom leaders, so he and Tobias had to do it.

Josh Richardson sounds like a real smart dude.

The Savior wrote:

PSUsarge wrote:

Butler was lukewarm on re-signing with Philly last off-season and the organization was aware, but the Sixers were still prepared to offer him a max contract if he wouldn’t take any recruiting visits, sources said.

Butler did not agree to that stipulation, sources said, and both sides ended up parting ways. Butler was a force for the Sixers and proved to be their finisher down the stretch, but he wasn’t sold that the team was invested in winning, and his leadership style rubbed some the wrong way at times.

Brown didn’t appreciate how outspoken Butler was with his coaching tactics, and Ben Simmons once took issue with a text message Butler sent in a team group chat that instructed Simmons what not to do in an upcoming game against Brooklyn, sources said.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-76-ers ... 42482.html

Says it all about the franchise.

“Prepared to offer.” So, we never offered a max. Never recruited him to stay.

If Ben Simmons is upset because somebody doesn’t take his shit and tells him what’s what, how can that be construed as anything but a good thing? Dude is by faaaaarrrrrr the most frustrating gap between potential and execution I have ever had the displeasure of watching.

Trent Steele wrote:I think Wright absolutely leaves for the Sixers job if its offered. I don’t know how i feel about it.

No thanks.

We need a coach who Simmons and Embiid either get with the program on or GTFO. I.e., an expensive name brand NBA title winning coach.

Posted last year in July after the playoffs:

Against the Raptors, Sixers lineups featuring Simmons without Butler averaged an ugly 101.4 points per 100 possessions. (During the regular season, the Knicks' offensive rating of 104.0 was the worst in the league.) Meanwhile, lineups featuring Butler without Simmons lit up the Raptors to the tune of 118.9 points per 100 possessions.

Simmons isn't the first dynamic athlete to stumble in the postseason because he can't shoot from distance. He wasn't even the only one to do so last year (see: Antetokounmpo, Giannis). He is, however, the first All-Star point guard to refuse to shoot. In 12 playoff games last season, Simmons didn't take a single shot 15 feet or farther from the basket, per NBA.com.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2843988-philadelphia-76ers-fate-rests-in-ben-simmons-170-million-hands?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral

JFLNYC wrote:Posted last year in July after the playoffs:

Against the Raptors, Sixers lineups featuring Simmons without Butler averaged an ugly 101.4 points per 100 possessions. (During the regular season, the Knicks' offensive rating of 104.0 was the worst in the league.) Meanwhile, lineups featuring Butler without Simmons lit up the Raptors to the tune of 118.9 points per 100 possessions.

Simmons isn't the first dynamic athlete to stumble in the postseason because he can't shoot from distance. He wasn't even the only one to do so last year (see: Antetokounmpo, Giannis). He is, however, the first All-Star point guard to refuse to shoot. In 12 playoff games last season, Simmons didn't take a single shot 15 feet or farther from the basket, per NBA.com.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2843988-philadelphia-76ers-fate-rests-in-ben-simmons-170-million-hands?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral

In fucking deed.

Wolfgang622 wrote:

The Savior wrote:

PSUsarge wrote:

Butler was lukewarm on re-signing with Philly last off-season and the organization was aware, but the Sixers were still prepared to offer him a max contract if he wouldn’t take any recruiting visits, sources said.

Butler did not agree to that stipulation, sources said, and both sides ended up parting ways. Butler was a force for the Sixers and proved to be their finisher down the stretch, but he wasn’t sold that the team was invested in winning, and his leadership style rubbed some the wrong way at times.

Brown didn’t appreciate how outspoken Butler was with his coaching tactics, and Ben Simmons once took issue with a text message Butler sent in a team group chat that instructed Simmons what not to do in an upcoming game against Brooklyn, sources said.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-76-ers ... 42482.html

Says it all about the franchise.

“Prepared to offer.” So, we never offered a max. Never recruited him to stay.

If Ben Simmons is upset because somebody doesn’t take his shit and tells him what’s what, how can that be construed as anything but a good thing? Dude is by faaaaarrrrrr the most frustrating gap between potential and execution I have ever had the displeasure of watching.

I mean, if your peer at work sends you a text telling you "what not to do," how do you react? You don't even know what was said, and it's not like Jimmy Butler is the unquestioned expert on championship basketball that you just fall in line and do whatever he says. He and Simmons have the exact same amount of championship rings and finals appearances. Who's Jimmy Butler to "tell him what's what?"

People always lap up Butler's "I just want to win" schtick like it's unquestioned fact but always leaves out the part where it has to be done Jimmy's way.