60 Games To Leave Your Bubble: Phillies Thread

Re: 60 Games To Leave Your Bubble: Phillies Thread

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Sat Aug 22, 2020 21:59:22

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Re: 60 Games To Leave Your Bubble: Phillies Thread

Unread postby JFLNYC » Sat Aug 22, 2020 22:44:31

I can’t remember this many blown leads so close together. It’s unbelievable.
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Re: 60 Games To Leave Your Bubble: Phillies Thread

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Sat Aug 22, 2020 22:49:06

Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best
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Re: 60 Games To Leave Your Bubble: Phillies Thread

Unread postby Squire » Sun Aug 23, 2020 07:04:08

Fire Klentak
Hire Hinkie
Tank and draft Rocker or Leiter

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Re: 60 Games To Leave Your Bubble: Phillies Thread

Unread postby WilliamC » Sun Aug 23, 2020 07:31:58

My biggest fear is that we get so bad that the team ends up going into tank mode and trades Realmuto and a few others and Harper gets so pissed that even with his no desire for a trade clause he will ask to be traded in the offseason.

Not sure I trust Klentak doing anything right at this point. The minors are so bad that restocking might be the best option if signing Realmuto looks grim. It should've been done already and his value has gone further up.
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Re: 60 Games To Leave Your Bubble: Phillies Thread

Unread postby PSUPhilliesPhan » Sun Aug 23, 2020 08:12:47

Why on earth did we hire Klentak? The Angels have sucked for a decade. I actually thought MacPhail was a great hire at the time. Both need to go today.

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Re: 60 Games To Leave Your Bubble: Phillies Thread

Unread postby Wheels Tupay » Sun Aug 23, 2020 08:31:49

WilliamC wrote:My biggest fear is that we get so bad that the team ends up going into tank mode and trades Realmuto and a few others and Harper gets so pissed that even with his no desire for a trade clause he will ask to be traded in the offseason.

Not sure I trust Klentak doing anything right at this point. The minors are so bad that restocking might be the best option if signing Realmuto looks grim. It should've been done already and his value has gone further up.


Trading realmuto is a better option then fucking up resigning him or resigning him to a shitty deal because klentak was too dumb to get the signing done at the correct time.
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Re: 60 Games To Leave Your Bubble: Phillies Thread

Unread postby ReadingPhilly » Sun Aug 23, 2020 08:59:16

Wheels Tupay wrote:Trading realmuto is a better option then fucking up resigning him or resigning him to a shitty deal because klentak was too dumb to get the signing done at the correct time.


i see a lot people say the latter part, but i don't think there is any truth to it.

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Re: 60 Games To Leave Your Bubble: Phillies Thread

Unread postby Stripes » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:06:05

PSUPhilliesPhan wrote:Why on earth did we hire Klentak? The Angels have sucked for a decade. I actually thought MacPhail was a great hire at the time. Both need to go today.
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Re: 60 Games To Leave Your Bubble: Phillies Thread

Unread postby Wheels Tupay » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:19:56

ReadingPhilly wrote:
Wheels Tupay wrote:Trading realmuto is a better option then fucking up resigning him or resigning him to a shitty deal because klentak was too dumb to get the signing done at the correct time.


i see a lot people say the latter part, but i don't think there is any truth to it.


You don't think so? Once you trade your top prospect, you are basically all in at that point. I get waiting until this offseason but I think it should have been completed this offseason.
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Re: 60 Games To Leave Your Bubble: Phillies Thread

Unread postby kruker » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:11:50

Do we think teams will give up the normal amount for JT? As in, does this asterisk of a season with no guarantee that we get a WS mean the return would be discounted? If so does that change the calculus vs draft pick comp.
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Re: 60 Games To Leave Your Bubble: Phillies Thread

Unread postby MoBettle » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:15:08

Dumping the front office has to come before trading JT, I think. Trading him is basically an admission of failure by them.
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Re: 60 Games To Leave Your Bubble: Phillies Thread

Unread postby Ace Rothstein » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:16:21

kruker wrote:Do we think teams will give up the normal amount for JT? As in, does this asterisk of a season with no guarantee that we get a WS mean the return would be discounted? If so does that change the calculus vs draft pick comp.


I don’t think they get the draft pick compensation if he leaves this year
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Re: 60 Games To Leave Your Bubble: Phillies Thread

Unread postby The Savior » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:21:11

It would be beyond dumb not to resign JT
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Re: 60 Games To Leave Your Bubble: Phillies Thread

Unread postby JFLNYC » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:28:21

But for how much and for how long?
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Re: 60 Games To Leave Your Bubble: Phillies Thread

Unread postby PSUsarge » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:36:44

Wheels Tupay wrote:
ReadingPhilly wrote:
Wheels Tupay wrote:Trading realmuto is a better option then #$!&@ up resigning him or resigning him to a #$!&@ deal because klentak was too dumb to get the signing done at the correct time.


i see a lot people say the latter part, but i don't think there is any truth to it.


You don't think so? Once you trade your top prospect, you are basically all in at that point. I get waiting until this offseason but I think it should have been completed this offseason.

Adding to this - the '93 team cited Dutch's extension during Spring Training as a huge factor in the way they started that season, in terms of Dutch's leadership and their feelings about playing for the organization.

This was a very similar situation at the time, and going into a season that is as up for grabs as any in recent memory. It may be a bit #WIPcaller of me to suggest but something as small as securing one of your team's two main leaders and the man responsible for handling your pitching staff seems like it could have been impactful for overall team cohesion, especially with a new manager coming in and some prominent new faces in the clubhouse.

The counterargument there, of course, is that JT is playing at a borderline MVP level right now because he's pissed and/or knows it'll drive his price up here or elsewhere come December.

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Re: 60 Games To Leave Your Bubble: Phillies Thread

Unread postby Uncle Milty » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:55:44

If they're nowhere on extension talks trading him is the right thing to do. Even if the return is less than a "normal" season he's one of your few assets and one who's value expires at the end of the season.
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Re: 60 Games To Leave Your Bubble: Phillies Thread

Unread postby MoBettle » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:57:39

ReadingPhilly wrote:
Wheels Tupay wrote:Trading realmuto is a better option then fucking up resigning him or resigning him to a shitty deal because klentak was too dumb to get the signing done at the correct time.


i see a lot people say the latter part, but i don't think there is any truth to it.


I haven't seen anything indicating that they made an effort to sign him long term during the last two offseasons? Understood that JT wanted to go to arbitration but that was in the context of him being offered one year deals. Maybe he gives something longer term more of a thought.

I don't think the Phillies had any interest in having the AAV of a JT extension count against their 2020 tax number with how close they are. Which I get but the only reason they are so close in the first place is making poor budgeting decisions elsewhere.
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Re: 60 Games To Leave Your Bubble: Phillies Thread

Unread postby rolex » Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:24:20

The Savior wrote:It would be beyond dumb not to resign JT

This. The guy is a physical specimen. Six X $22 or so. When he’s done catching he could go to a corner IF position or DH. The guy is a Biggio pt. 2. Pay him and play him.

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Re: 60 Games To Leave Your Bubble: Phillies Thread

Unread postby ReadingPhilly » Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:58:17

MoBettle wrote:
ReadingPhilly wrote:
Wheels Tupay wrote:Trading realmuto is a better option then fucking up resigning him or resigning him to a shitty deal because klentak was too dumb to get the signing done at the correct time.


i see a lot people say the latter part, but i don't think there is any truth to it.


I haven't seen anything indicating that they made an effort to sign him long term during the last two offseasons? Understood that JT wanted to go to arbitration but that was in the context of him being offered one year deals. Maybe he gives something longer term more of a thought.

I don't think the Phillies had any interest in having the AAV of a JT extension count against their 2020 tax number with how close they are. Which I get but the only reason they are so close in the first place is making poor budgeting decisions elsewhere.


My only point is they weren’t going to get some discount if they signed him before the season. There seems to be a thought that he’s going to get $40-50M more because he had a great start. JTR has been adamant about setting the market for catchers since he got here.

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