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Postby Titlehungry » Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:53:22

I know it's likely not the majority opinion but I'm pretty sure I don't want anything less than like an 81 game season... for me, it takes away from what I get from the game plus you'll already be going into football season and have extra NBA and NHL playoffs to bridge the gap... I'm ok waiting till March at that point when I'll be really psyched for baseball again
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby SixerLed3 » Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:56:17

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MLB has made proposal to Players. 75 percent Prorated salary. 76 game season. Playoff pool money. No draft pick compensation for signing player. Season finishes September 27th. Post season ends at end of October. Significant move towards players demands and effort to play more.


https://twitter.com/karlravechespn/stat ... 7242295310

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Stripes » Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:03:02

SixerLed3 wrote:
@karlravechespn
MLB has made proposal to Players. 75 percent Prorated salary. 76 game season. Playoff pool money. No draft pick compensation for signing player. Season finishes September 27th. Post season ends at end of October. Significant move towards players demands and effort to play more.


https://twitter.com/karlravechespn/stat ... 7242295310


They need to address what happens financially when/if fans are allowed back in. Players take a cut in pay, some revenue comes back, I can't see owner just saying, "Sure, we'll give you some of that extra income!" Next time would be the first!
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby MoBettle » Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:15:39

Other big thing is no draft pick compensation for a free agent leaving this offseason. Better get that JT extension done...
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby MoBettle » Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:28:26

Titlehungry wrote:I know it's likely not the majority opinion but I'm pretty sure I don't want anything less than like an 81 game season... for me, it takes away from what I get from the game plus you'll already be going into football season and have extra NBA and NHL playoffs to bridge the gap... I'm ok waiting till March at that point when I'll be really psyched for baseball again


Honestly the main reason why I want them to play this year beyond just enjoying watching baseball is more dumb long term stuff like Harper accumulating counting stats for his hall of fame case... there's a lot of reasons it might be beneficial for the Phillies to just turn the page to next year (Arrieta and Robertson expire, Cutch has more time to rehab and won't become an albatross, service clocks don't start on Bohm or Howard...)

That being said there could be some real long term issues for the sport if they just don't play.
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby PSUsarge » Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:03:14

SixerLed3 wrote:
@karlravechespn
MLB has made proposal to Players. 75 percent Prorated salary. 76 game season. Playoff pool money. No draft pick compensation for signing player. Season finishes September 27th. Post season ends at end of October. Significant move towards players demands and effort to play more.


https://twitter.com/karlravechespn/stat ... 7242295310


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Isn’t paying 75% of 76 games basically the same as 100% of a 50 game season.

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I guess if someone was making 10 million they make 2.9 million in a 50 game season, with new proposal they would make 3.75 million. So they get like 9% more in current proposal. That’s enough math for me

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby PSUsarge » Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:12:35

yikes
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Rockinghorse » Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:27:53

Pretty meager increase. They're trying to position it as the free agent tweak and postseason boost are major concessions. Doesn't seem like it to me

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Squire » Mon Jun 08, 2020 13:18:03

I don’t support the owners but it’s not lost on them that for a large chunk of the voting players union losing one year of a very brief career is a really bad outcome

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Grotewold » Mon Jun 08, 2020 14:19:37

MoBettle wrote:there's a lot of reasons it might be beneficial for the Phillies to just turn the page to next year (Arrieta and Robertson expire, Cutch has more time to rehab and won't become an albatross


Is that definite, even if they aren't paid? Or do you mean if there is a season this year and the Phillies just kind of punt on it?

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby mcare89 » Mon Jun 08, 2020 14:52:54

Grotewold wrote:
MoBettle wrote:there's a lot of reasons it might be beneficial for the Phillies to just turn the page to next year (Arrieta and Robertson expire, Cutch has more time to rehab and won't become an albatross


Is that definite, even if they aren't paid? Or do you mean if there is a season this year and the Phillies just kind of punt on it?

That's in the March agreement, it's already locked in that no matter what, everyone gets a year of service time commensurate with what they had in 2019.

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby SCPhillyPhan » Mon Jun 08, 2020 15:14:55

mcare89 wrote:
Grotewold wrote:
MoBettle wrote:there's a lot of reasons it might be beneficial for the Phillies to just turn the page to next year (Arrieta and Robertson expire, Cutch has more time to rehab and won't become an albatross


Is that definite, even if they aren't paid? Or do you mean if there is a season this year and the Phillies just kind of punt on it?

That's in the March agreement, it's already locked in that no matter what, everyone gets a year of service time commensurate with what they had in 2019.


Is it clear that includes moving contracts forward one year?
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Bucky » Mon Jun 08, 2020 15:16:05

so if they don't play at all, do contracts all just get pushed back a year, or like posited before, arietta and roberston are no longer phillies?

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Grotewold » Mon Jun 08, 2020 15:17:01

SCPhillyPhan wrote:
mcare89 wrote:
Grotewold wrote:
MoBettle wrote:there's a lot of reasons it might be beneficial for the Phillies to just turn the page to next year (Arrieta and Robertson expire, Cutch has more time to rehab and won't become an albatross


Is that definite, even if they aren't paid? Or do you mean if there is a season this year and the Phillies just kind of punt on it?

That's in the March agreement, it's already locked in that no matter what, everyone gets a year of service time commensurate with what they had in 2019.


Is it clear that includes moving contracts forward one year?


Yeah another small silver lining would be a Harper year with no baseball grind on his body.

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby mcare89 » Mon Jun 08, 2020 15:19:57

SCPhillyPhan wrote:
mcare89 wrote:
Grotewold wrote:
MoBettle wrote:there's a lot of reasons it might be beneficial for the Phillies to just turn the page to next year (Arrieta and Robertson expire, Cutch has more time to rehab and won't become an albatross


Is that definite, even if they aren't paid? Or do you mean if there is a season this year and the Phillies just kind of punt on it?

That's in the March agreement, it's already locked in that no matter what, everyone gets a year of service time commensurate with what they had in 2019.


Is it clear that includes moving contracts forward one year?

I don't see how you couldn't move their contracts forward if they have a year of service time. If Realmuto is still going to be a free agent (which he definitely is, that's one of the biggest points of the service time concession), then you have to move everyone else's contract forward. Realmuto's still signed to a one-year deal, so if you didn't move contracts forward, everyone would still be locked in.

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby WilliamC » Mon Jun 08, 2020 15:44:42

PSUsarge wrote:yikes
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I thought the same even though this I suppose should be the expected reaction. The owners are relying on people making the players out to be the bad guys if nothing happens.

Also I agree with MoBettle. I obsess over numbers and that is one of the biggest reasons as to why I want more games, more games more games!
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby PSUsarge » Mon Jun 08, 2020 15:45:39

Grotewold wrote:Yeah another small silver lining would be a Harper year with no baseball grind on his body.

True - although hopefully they mix him in plenty at DH to help with this as well

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Monkeyboy » Mon Jun 08, 2020 17:53:49

From a stat perspective, 81 games would be nice. We could just double everything.
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby heyeaglefn » Mon Jun 08, 2020 18:10:42

I think the latest proposal was 75 or 76. I am fine with it, better than nothing. The more sports the better.

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Swiggers » Mon Jun 08, 2020 21:29:09

MoBettle wrote:That being said there could be some real long term issues for the sport if they just don't play.


I never thought they would cancel a World Series due to a labor dispute, but they did. And they eventually recovered from it.

So I will never put anything past them. And if anything, some (on both sides even) may think, we were fine after 1994, we'll be fine after this.
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