2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Average

Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby CalvinBall » Fri Nov 08, 2019 09:58:34

Ace Rothstein wrote:It’s amazing some people weren’t happy with the JT during the season


yeah felt like people were expecting .330 and 40 hrs or something

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby MoBettle » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:13:24

CalvinBall wrote:
Ace Rothstein wrote:It’s amazing some people weren’t happy with the JT during the season


yeah felt like people were expecting .330 and 40 hrs or something


I think some were surprised that he wasn't matching his 2018 hitting production through June but he obviously finished strong and got there eventually.

He's the least of our concerns obviously
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby MoBettle » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:16:10

TempleFan22 wrote:Matt Gelb‏Verified account @MattGelb · 4m4 minutes ago
Klentak, who has not yet fielded questions from beat writers about offseason plans, stressed in this interview how important it is for Phillies to not forfeit draft picks through free-agent signings.


Hamels and Didi it is

I know it's WIP and it was a fluff interview but it was sort of disappointing how they let him give a nothing answer about critiques re the farm system is with no follow up.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby azrider » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:17:55

CalvinBall wrote:
Ace Rothstein wrote:It’s amazing some people weren’t happy with the JT during the season


yeah felt like people were expecting .330 and 40 hrs or something


he was kinda slow to start off the season and really came on strong in the 2nd half. his defense tho, was a godsend. alfaro may have the physically stronger arm, but even that jt was superior and the rest of the game...

and a catcher scoring 92 runs? i guess probably mauer and posey did this, but probably never a phillies.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby SixerLed3 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:23:26

Former Phillies infielder Juan Castro is rejoining the team as Joe Girardi's infield coach.

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Juan Castro, manager of @MexicoBeis in the @Premier12, has agreed to become the @Phillies major league infield coach, sources tell @ToddZolecki and me. @MLBNetwork @MLB


https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/11 ... 5120327680

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Grotewold » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:40:19

SixerLed3 wrote:Former Phillies infielder Juan Castro is rejoining the team as Joe Girardi's infield coach.

@jonmorosi
Juan Castro, manager of @MexicoBeis in the @Premier12, has agreed to become the @Phillies major league infield coach, sources tell @ToddZolecki and me. @MLBNetwork @MLB


https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/11 ... 5120327680


Who doesn't love that

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Gimpy » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:49:00

azrider wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:
Ace Rothstein wrote:It’s amazing some people weren’t happy with the JT during the season


yeah felt like people were expecting .330 and 40 hrs or something


he was kinda slow to start off the season and really came on strong in the 2nd half. his defense tho, was a godsend. alfaro may have the physically stronger arm, but even that jt was superior and the rest of the game...

and a catcher scoring 92 runs? i guess probably mauer and posey did this, but probably never a phillies.


Dutch got 90 in 93

Mickey Cochraine got 118 in 32 (not a Phillies, but was playing in Philly as an Athletics).

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Bucky » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:57:18

azrider wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:
Ace Rothstein wrote:It’s amazing some people weren’t happy with the JT during the season


yeah felt like people were expecting .330 and 40 hrs or something


he was kinda slow to start off the season and really came on strong in the 2nd half. his defense tho, was a godsend. alfaro may have the physically stronger arm, but even that jt was superior and the rest of the game...

and a catcher scoring 92 runs? i guess probably mauer and posey did this, but probably never a phillies.



I thought it was more that extended slump in the middle of the season after he gotted popped in the nads

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Bucky » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:59:46

heyeaglefn wrote:I think some attributed the #$!&@ pitching to him like Catchers control everything.



there were more than a few times after a bomb that the tv crew showed the replay and JT holding his glove up high and they said something like 'JT wanted that pitch up there'. Little did we know at the time that it was our @#$% pitching coach

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby swishnicholson » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:03:44

azrider wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:
Ace Rothstein wrote:It’s amazing some people weren’t happy with the JT during the season


yeah felt like people were expecting .330 and 40 hrs or something


he was kinda slow to start off the season and really came on strong in the 2nd half. his defense tho, was a godsend. alfaro may have the physically stronger arm, but even that jt was superior and the rest of the game...

and a catcher scoring 92 runs? i guess probably mauer and posey did this, but probably never a phillies.


Plus Alfaro got off to a hot start before finishing up right about where you'd expect him too. Sometimes it's weird how people forget how baseball works.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Shore » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:19:44

MoBettle wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:
Ace Rothstein wrote:It’s amazing some people weren’t happy with the JT during the season


yeah felt like people were expecting .330 and 40 hrs or something


I think some were surprised that he wasn't matching his 2018 hitting production through June but he obviously finished strong and got there eventually.

He's the least of our concerns obviously


Realmuto was excellent last year. His defense was other-wordly. His offense was outstanding for a catcher. I'm VERY glad we have him.

But, while he got his baseball-card numbers back to 2018 levels, he was doing it at CBP instead of Disneyland, so his OPS+ was way down, from 126 to 108 (and wRC+ was also 127 to 108). The reason people "expected .330 and 40 hrs" is because, in arguing for Realmuto, some posters focused only on his road numbers, as if that was predictive of what a full season of Realmuto would be in another park. And those road numbers were something like .320/.370/.520.

He remains a concern to me for 3 reasons: we paid a lot to get him, now we have to pay him a lot of money starting with his age-30 season, and to provide maximum value he has to play a lot at a position/age combo where playing a lot can negatively impact your performance. His performance between 2020 and say 2022 is NOT a concern, to be clear. And his defense alone is valuable, even if his hitting slipped.

That said, these next few years should be awesome, and hopefully Grullon gets a shot to replace Knapp, and can handle 40+ starts.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby azrider » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:19:54

swishnicholson wrote:
azrider wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:
Ace Rothstein wrote:It’s amazing some people weren’t happy with the JT during the season


yeah felt like people were expecting .330 and 40 hrs or something


he was kinda slow to start off the season and really came on strong in the 2nd half. his defense tho, was a godsend. alfaro may have the physically stronger arm, but even that jt was superior and the rest of the game...

and a catcher scoring 92 runs? i guess probably mauer and posey did this, but probably never a phillies.


Plus Alfaro got off to a hot start before finishing up right about where you'd expect him too. Sometimes it's weird how people forget how baseball works.


speaking of which... alfaro has nearly 1000 plate appearances. he did fall back to earth a little bit with .364. still, i understand he is going to have a higher babip, but i think his career .385 may be one of the highest ever in the modern era. i've been predicting this man's demise for two years and he still keeps trucking along.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby MFP » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:30:46

Shore wrote:
MoBettle wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:
Ace Rothstein wrote:It’s amazing some people weren’t happy with the JT during the season


yeah felt like people were expecting .330 and 40 hrs or something


I think some were surprised that he wasn't matching his 2018 hitting production through June but he obviously finished strong and got there eventually.

He's the least of our concerns obviously


Realmuto was excellent last year. His defense was other-wordly. His offense was outstanding for a catcher. I'm VERY glad we have him.

But, while he got his baseball-card numbers back to 2018 levels, he was doing it at CBP instead of Disneyland, so his OPS+ was way down, from 126 to 108 (and wRC+ was also 127 to 108). The reason people "expected .330 and 40 hrs" is because, in arguing for Realmuto, some posters focused only on his road numbers, as if that was predictive of what a full season of Realmuto would be in another park. And those road numbers were something like .320/.370/.520.

He remains a concern to me for 3 reasons: we paid a lot to get him, now we have to pay him a lot of money starting with his age-30 season, and to provide maximum value he has to play a lot at a position/age combo where playing a lot can negatively impact your performance. His performance between 2020 and say 2022 is NOT a concern, to be clear. And his defense alone is valuable, even if his hitting slipped.

That said, these next few years should be awesome, and hopefully Grullon gets a shot to replace Knapp, and can handle 40+ starts.

I'm pro-Grullon for the backup spot too but I think I saw some speculation the other day about Russell Martin due to his previous ties with Girardi.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby mtcal » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:34:11

Grotewold wrote:Klentak was on WIP earlier today. Nothing earth shattering -- the most telling part was probably answering the Herrera question by touting Haseley and Quinn -- but he came off very reasonable and sharp imo


i thought the interview parts i heard made sense, but i didn't catch the whole thing.

Ritchie in an interview style must have learned from eskin the direct/lack of tact method: 'were you worried you were going to be fired?'
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby mtcal » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:34:25

Slowhand wrote:
Phred wrote:
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Phred wrote:Pivetta is going to break out this season and finally be the Cy Young Award candidate some have been expecting.


Not unless his fastball has suddenly developed movement.


It moves from his hand to the catcher's mitt really quickly!


Shortest distance between two points is a straight line. None of that inefficient movement.


unless you can bend space #scifinerd
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby mtcal » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:34:52

MoBettle wrote:
TempleFan22 wrote:Matt Gelb‏Verified account @MattGelb · 4m4 minutes ago
Klentak, who has not yet fielded questions from beat writers about offseason plans, stressed in this interview how important it is for Phillies to not forfeit draft picks through free-agent signings.


Hamels and Didi it is

I know it's WIP and it was a fluff interview but it was sort of disappointing how they let him give a nothing answer about critiques re the farm system is with no follow up.


i'm not sure there's a single host on wip that can name more than 3 phillies current minor leaguers.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:38:57

Tbf I’m not sure there are more than 3 worth knowing.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Bucky » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:40:44

mtcal and JFLNYC wrote:i'm not sure there's a single host on wip worth knowing

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Shore » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:41:40

MFP wrote:I'm pro-Grullon for the backup spot too but I think I saw some speculation the other day about Russell Martin due to his previous ties with Girardi.


One move that's sure to fix things is to bring in terrible players.

Over the last 2 years, he's hitting .205 with a .327 "slugging" percentage, with 160 Ks in 498 AB. Give me Knapp.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby SixerLed3 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:42:52

According to baseball sources, the Phillies have received permission from the Washington Nationals to interview Joe Dillon for the job.

Dillon has served as the Nationals assistant hitting coach under Kevin Long for the last two seasons. Long had previously been New York Yankees hitting coach under Joe Girardi. Girardi was hired by the Phillies as manager last month and remains close to Long.

Dillon, 44, played in the majors with the Marlins, Brewers and Rays. He has gained recognition around the game for marrying new-age science with old-school principles in coaching hitters. Long, in fact, has called Dillon “the best assistant hitting coach in the baseball.” Anyone of that distinction, coming off a World Series title, would seem to be in line for advancement in the game. Maybe it will come with the Phillies. Stay tuned.


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