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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Uncle Milty » Sun Oct 27, 2019 23:08:23

Titlehungry wrote:Nobody thinking it will click for Nick Pivetta this year???

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Stripes » Sun Oct 27, 2019 23:17:47

Titlehungry wrote:Nobody thinking it will click for Nick Pivetta this year???


Not here. Maybe with a change of scenery.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Benny Lava » Sun Oct 27, 2019 23:24:25

Titlehungry wrote:Nobody thinking it will click for Nick Pivetta this year???

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby momadance » Sun Oct 27, 2019 23:42:22

They need to throw all of their monies at Cole.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Ramon Gris » Mon Oct 28, 2019 02:10:37

Sign Gerrit Cole, nontender Pivetta, let the Astros sign Pivetta, turn him into Cole. . . Profit?

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby phorever » Mon Oct 28, 2019 06:47:47

Titlehungry wrote:Nobody thinking it will click for Nick Pivetta this year???


i doubt it, but i don't think it should be ruled out completely because it remains unclear to me which of our pitchers suffered the most from the combination of mlb messing around with the nature of the baseballs and the chris young fiasco. even if we knew which were hurt the most, and even if we knew who will be the new pitching coach and what kind of baseballs will be used in 2021, we wouldn't know which members of the staff are most able to get back on track quickly under a return to 2018 conditions. pivetta has had the least success in the big leagues, so that automatically makes him less likely to be sorted out, no matter how favorable conditions are in 2020... but the potential he showed in 2020 remains tantalizing.

that year he was in the top 25%(of 56 qualified starters) in k-rate, k-bb rate, siera, xfip, xfip-, and 17th in swinging strike rate, so he was good at missing bats and kept walks under control. despite the high hr/fb rate, he also managed to post the 19th lowest rate of hard-hits allowed and was in the top half for the rate of soft-hits allowed and for fip and fip- (which penalize high hr rates), implying that he also controlled contact pretty well. we just don't know whether or not he is capable of pitching well with baseballs other than the 2018 version, or has the mental strength to come back from the disaster of his 2019 season.

i would recommend not selling low just yet, and keeping him around at least until we find out what baseballs will be used. if it will be a return to 2018, as suggested by the balls used in the playoffs, then let him pitch enough to give him a chance to recover some value in low-leverage bullpen situations.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby 06hawkalum » Mon Oct 28, 2019 07:28:38

phorever wrote:
Titlehungry wrote:Nobody thinking it will click for Nick Pivetta this year???


i doubt it, but i don't think it should be ruled out completely because it remains unclear to me which of our pitchers suffered the most from the combination of mlb messing around with the nature of the baseballs and the chris young fiasco. even if we knew which were hurt the most, and even if we knew who will be the new pitching coach and what kind of baseballs will be used in 2021... but the potential he showed in 2020 remains tantalizing.


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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby phorever » Mon Oct 28, 2019 09:53:09

another in the long list of reasons i really, really hope the phils sign gerrit cole: both of his age 27 and age 28 seasons beat out those of both halladay and schilling , the last two phillies rh power-pitching aces, each of whom had relatively late breakouts. what those two averaged over their age 29-26 seasons is pretty mind-boggling. my other favorite name in his similarity score lists is mussina. (can't wait for the b-r similarity score list to be updated to include cole's 2019. i expect mussina and halladay and schilling to jump up the list)
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby SixerLed3 » Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:01:49

Something to keep an eye on for the Phillies pitching coach.

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Sources: Yankees have discussed making a change at pitching coach and moving on from Larry Rothschild.


https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/ ... 2672476160

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby ReadingPhilly » Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:38:14

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby stevemc » Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:43:56

SixerLed3 wrote:Something to keep an eye on for the Phillies pitching coach.

@Buster_ESPN
Sources: Yankees have discussed making a change at pitching coach and moving on from Larry Rothschild.


https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/ ... 2672476160



Official - Yankees canned Rothschild

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby WhiteyFan » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:15:24

Any guesses on Cole's next contract? 7 years seems to be the norm. Grienke currently the highest annual at $34.4m.

Somewhere around 7 year / $266m sound about right?
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby heyeaglefn » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:52:33

WhiteyFan wrote:Any guesses on Cole's next contract? 7 years seems to be the norm. Grienke currently the highest annual at $34.4m.

Somewhere around 7 year / $266m sound about right?

Bleacher Report end of Sept said 7/225 to Angels.
They also had Rendon 8 for 265 back to Nationals.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby heyeaglefn » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:54:37

I think 7/250 is bare min though.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby MoBettle » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:57:17

heyeaglefn wrote:
WhiteyFan wrote:Any guesses on Cole's next contract? 7 years seems to be the norm. Grienke currently the highest annual at $34.4m.

Somewhere around 7 year / $266m sound about right?

Bleacher Report end of Sept said 7/225 to Angels.
They also had Rendon 8 for 265 back to Nationals.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby phillychuck » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:58:04

stevemc wrote:
SixerLed3 wrote:Something to keep an eye on for the Phillies pitching coach.

@Buster_ESPN
Sources: Yankees have discussed making a change at pitching coach and moving on from Larry Rothschild.


https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/ ... 2672476160



Official - Yankees canned Rothschild


Official--if we respect the Yankees organization, this should give us pause regarding hiring him.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby MFP » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:58:06

heyeaglefn wrote:
WhiteyFan wrote:Any guesses on Cole's next contract? 7 years seems to be the norm. Grienke currently the highest annual at $34.4m.

Somewhere around 7 year / $266m sound about right?

Bleacher Report end of Sept said 7/225 to Angels.
They also had Rendon 8 for 265 back to Nationals.

I'd top that 8/$265M if I'm the Phillies.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Bucky » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:59:25

MFP wrote:
heyeaglefn wrote:
WhiteyFan wrote:Any guesses on Cole's next contract? 7 years seems to be the norm. Grienke currently the highest annual at $34.4m.

Somewhere around 7 year / $266m sound about right?

Bleacher Report end of Sept said 7/225 to Angels.
They also had Rendon 8 for 265 back to Nationals.

I'd top that 8/$265M if I'm the Phillies.


I'd go 13/330

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Uncle Milty » Mon Oct 28, 2019 18:44:47

Get prepared for a Rhys extension
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Bucky » Mon Oct 28, 2019 19:26:29

Uncle Milty wrote:Get prepared for a Rhys extension


buy low!

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