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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby laf837 » Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:54:42

stevemc wrote:
stevelxa476 wrote:Young is out as pitching coach per Zo.


Is this for reals? We dump Kranitz for fear Young may take the Barves pitching coach job so then Kranitz goes there, our rotation implodes and we now jettison Young? That would be a comedy of errors.

This. Isn’t that a direct indictment of Klentak and the front office?
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Grotewold » Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:55:21

To fire Kapler now would be bullshit imo

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby stevemc » Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:59:27

So do you think the Young firing is at Kapler's direction? If it isn't, to have your hitting coach fired and former WS champ manager Cholly brought in by the owner and now your pitching coach and other staff dismissed seems very dysfunctional.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby CFP » Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:00:00

Grotewold wrote:To fire Kapler now would be bullshit imo


We still don't know anything even after today, which is kind of incredible. Montemurro says they've started picking up some coaches' contracts, so you can imagine that's maybe like Bob Stumpo, Bobby Dickerson, and a few others who would be inoffensive if a new manager came in and had those guys around. Does Young being gone make it look like Kapler is coming back? Sure, but there's now no PC, no HC, and a bench coach could be replaced easily if a new manager did come on. So we continue to sit here and wait.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby MoBettle » Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:01:07

I look forward to the article that comes out in a few months about what a cluster fuck this whole process was.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Squire » Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:13:30

LOL. Chris Young was offered another job in the organization. Nobody ever gets fired from the Phillies.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby azrider » Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:19:20

maybe someone feels that their talents can be maximized elsewhere and their deficiencies minimized elsewhere in the organization. don't get why it always has to be this treasure or trash mentality on everything.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby SixerLed3 » Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:21:23

It is unclear if Young will remain with the organization, but a source said he has been offered an opportunity to remain. Other coaches on manager Gabe Kapler’s staff have been told they will return in 2020, but it is unclear who and how many.

Whether or not Kapler returns, the Phillies will need to find at least new pitching and hitting coaches. Charlie Manuel is not expected to return as hitting coach. He filled the role vacated by John Mallee in August as a favor to Phillies managing partner John Middleton.

The Mets recently dismissed manager Mickey Callaway, who was a pitching coach with the Indians. He could be a candidate to replace Young. Recently dismissed Pirates pitching coach Ray Searage and former Phillies pitching coach Rich Dubee are two other intriguing candidates.


https://www.mlb.com/news/phillies-relie ... hris-young

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby 06hawkalum » Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:27:34

azrider wrote:maybe someone feels that their talents can be maximized elsewhere and their deficiencies minimized elsewhere in the organization. don't get why it always has to be this treasure or trash mentality on everything.


Seems like he was a pretty darned good scout prior to joining the Phils so that's probably the department where he will land.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby SwingOnThis » Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:29:26

I mean, the evaluation of Kapler by Middleton and Klentak should have been going on during the last two weeks of the season, no? Why wait and then begin this process when the season ends? It shouldn't take weeks to make this decision.

Unless they're waiting for Maddon's to decide where he's going.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby stevelxa476 » Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:40:34

SwingOnThis wrote:I mean, the evaluation of Kapler by Middleton and Klentak should have been going on during the last two weeks of the season, no? Why wait and then begin this process when the season ends? It shouldn't take weeks to make this decision.

Unless they're waiting for Maddon's to decide where he's going.


That's the only way it would make sense to me. They only want to dump Kapler if they can get Maddon or whomever they are specifically targeting, and if they can't get him then they won't make a change.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Ace Rothstein » Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:42:50

Keeping and firing coaches without committing to a manager seems weird

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Bucky » Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:19:15

Squire wrote:LOL. Chris Young was offered another job in the organization. Nobody ever gets fired from the Phillies.


i heard bessie of the galapogas gang was moving on so there was already an opening

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby BatFlipsFTW » Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:28:43

Squire wrote:LOL. Chris Young was offered another job in the organization. Nobody ever gets fired from the Phillies.


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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby 06hawkalum » Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:36:52

Ace Rothstein wrote:Keeping and firing coaches without committing to a manager seems weird


How about keeping fired coaches without committing to manager?
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby heyeaglefn » Fri Oct 04, 2019 13:48:54

Maybe they will just have a robot that they send commands down to during the game. Shouldn't be hard to program in the next few months. They can steal the robot from Giant if they need a body.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Uncle Milty » Fri Oct 04, 2019 15:14:23

stevemc wrote:So do you think the Young firing is at Kapler's direction? If it isn't, to have your hitting coach fired and former WS champ manager Cholly brought in by the owner and now your pitching coach and other staff dismissed seems very dysfunctional.

Kinda doubt it. I think some of last year's moves were to favor Gabe but if they're this undecided I doubt they cater to him again.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby kruker » Fri Oct 04, 2019 17:47:47

Ace Rothstein wrote:Keeping and firing coaches without committing to a manager seems weird


Yea. I think what is happening is this:

*They're waiting to see if Maddon or Girardi or whoever bites. Will keep Gabe if not

**They took shit last year for waiting until November on firing Kranitz. Maybe trying to avoid that sort of fiasco again this year. Don't want coaches to think if they take a job here that the org will can them at a time that keeps them out of that offseason's job market
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby thephan » Fri Oct 04, 2019 17:55:38

November is coming, they can fire people per their tradition.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Rococo4 » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:33:21

what is taking so long. make a decision, jesus

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