2 things worth mentioning from the article:

1. Segura has never, ever played Third at any level professionally. He has played second.
2. Kingery could be slotted at Second or Short. The team was impressed with him at Short.

It would be a very Kapler thing to have Segura at Third and Kingery at Short given the limit to non-existent experience both have had at each position.

freddy?

how much more influence did chris young have on the phils starting pitchers this year relative to 2018? if the answer is "much more", there would be an argument for naming him the worst pitching coach in phillies history. the starters went from being worth 15.2fwar in 2018 to 7.6fwar in 2019, and that's with vargas and smyly making things better after their arrival. the large decline in "siera" scores for all phillies starters is particularly noteworthy, since that stat is designed to be predictive, and thus relatively stable from year to year. it is even more surprising given that no starter other than arrieta had significant reported injury issues (and his was one of the smaller worsenings)
maybe the change in the balls this season had something to do with it. however, in that case, young and his pitchers had more trouble adjusting to this than any other team, which is damning enough in and of itself.
having no pitching coach at all might yield a win or two improvement relative to keeping young!

I too thought about Freddy, but he is a short term solution. The team needs an answer there. If a few seasons is what it take (I think I recall the team being SS heavy in the last two drafts, but that is also just a best athlete play), the he would be alright. Surgically repaired Dutchman Didi Gregorius is the same age as Freddy, so it sort of a toss up.

Since this team has many other issues, I'd probably leave Segura at SS and put Kingery at 2B, but this organization has been pretty good at overcomplicating things in the last few years so they'll probably be looking to create some extra work for themselves.

CFP wrote:Since this team has many other issues, I'd probably leave Segura at SS and put Kingery at 2B, but this organization has been pretty good at overcomplicating things in the last few years so they'll probably be looking to create some extra work for themselves.

I almost feel like this is a smoke-screen to distract other teams/agents from the very obvious fact that we desperately need starting pitching.

I think they're just throwing some ideas out there a day after the season ended

understand that this is from a reporter cobbling things together, and using statistical facts to augment what she heard. It is a story that is as much what-if as anything. Clearly it worked to get people talking.

Preparing for the Dave Dombrowski era in Philadelphia

From ed's FA thread, here are options as part of the 2020 infield puzzle:

SS = Elvis Andrus (opt-out?), Didi Gregorius, Jordy Mercer, Freddy Galvis (buyout)
3B = Anthony Rendon (QO), Josh Donaldson, Todd Frazier, Jedd Gyorko (buyout)

I do not think that team will bid on Tony Rendon. The other 3B options are trash. At short I do not see any statistical upgrades. That is a bit of a quandary.

I realize he'll be 34 soon and you don't want to necessarily invest long term on a guy that age but how is Donaldson considered "trash" based on what he's done this year?

stevemc wrote:I realize he'll be 34 soon and you don't want to necessarily invest long term on a guy that age but how is Donaldson considered "trash" based on what he's done this year?

6.1 wins above recycling

stevemc wrote:I realize he'll be 34 soon and you don't want to necessarily invest long term on a guy that age but how is Donaldson considered "trash" based on what he's done this year?

I think he meant anyone he didn't list was trash.

heyeaglefn wrote:

stevemc wrote:I realize he'll be 34 soon and you don't want to necessarily invest long term on a guy that age but how is Donaldson considered "trash" based on what he's done this year?

I think he meant anyone he didn't list was trash.

agree to disagree

Any interest in Callaway as a pitching coach?

BigEd76 wrote:Any interest in Callaway as a pitching coach?

No Dirty Mets please.

WhiteyFan wrote:

CFP wrote:Since this team has many other issues, I'd probably leave Segura at SS and put Kingery at 2B, but this organization has been pretty good at overcomplicating things in the last few years so they'll probably be looking to create some extra work for themselves.

I almost feel like this is a smoke-screen to distract other teams/agents from the very obvious fact that we desperately need starting pitching.

That was pretty obvious going into last season too.

Wheels Tupay wrote:

WhiteyFan wrote:

CFP wrote:Since this team has many other issues, I'd probably leave Segura at SS and put Kingery at 2B, but this organization has been pretty good at overcomplicating things in the last few years so they'll probably be looking to create some extra work for themselves.

I almost feel like this is a smoke-screen to distract other teams/agents from the very obvious fact that we desperately need starting pitching.

That was pretty obvious going into last season too.

Not true. Nola was and ace and Jake was a decent #2 (pun intended). Many thought Pivetta was going to break out and VV was going to become a reliable ML starter. Seemed like one of Eflin/Eick/EDLS would be a worthy #5 starter. We at least thought we had the guys. Next season, we only have 3 guys, and they are probably best served as #2, #4 and #5 starters.

WhiteyFan wrote:

Wheels Tupay wrote:

WhiteyFan wrote:

CFP wrote:Since this team has many other issues, I'd probably leave Segura at SS and put Kingery at 2B, but this organization has been pretty good at overcomplicating things in the last few years so they'll probably be looking to create some extra work for themselves.

I almost feel like this is a smoke-screen to distract other teams/agents from the very obvious fact that we desperately need starting pitching.

That was pretty obvious going into last season too.

Not true. Nola was and ace and Jake was a decent #2 (pun intended). Many thought Pivetta was going to break out and VV was going to become a reliable ML starter. Seemed like one of Eflin/Eick/EDLS would be a worthy #5 starter. We at least thought we had the guys. Next season, we only have 3 guys, and they are probably best served as #2, #4 and #5 starters.

It was basically the same bet they made after the 2007 season, but it worked out much better in 2008 obviously. Obviously the offense and bullpen were stronger in 2008 than this year, but let's not forget that KK and Adam Eaton made a combined 49 starts in 2008.

heyeaglefn wrote:

BigEd76 wrote:Any interest in Callaway as a pitching coach?

No Dirty Mets please.

Agreed. But Ray Searage is available. I remember hearing really good things about him being a pitching whisperer or something.