2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Average

Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Stripes » Mon Sep 30, 2019 16:35:23

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MFP wrote:All true, but it was just interesting the way he couched it. Talked about it as Boras keeping his "prized client" in Harper happy by funneling one of Cole or Rendon here as a way to help Harper win.

Yeah I guess I could see Cole or Rendon saying, I want to go to these 10 teams and Boras mentioning Philadelphia if for some reason they don't want to consider coming here.

More likely though I think highest $$$$ will win for both guys no matter what.


Yea, I think he's more apt to use the Phillies as leverage, w everybody knowing they have money to spend.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby philliesphhan » Mon Sep 30, 2019 16:45:34

bleh wrote:Put Haseley in AAA. We're not rebuilding anymore. Need better than a .714 OPS. He'll be up in week 2 when Quinn gets hurt anyway.


Haseley was 6th on the team in bWAR and only played like 60-70 games
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby philliesphhan » Mon Sep 30, 2019 16:47:03

Shore, I'd be curious to see the catcher numbers when you lower the games caught to 108. While obviously not nearly the amount JT does now, that seems more typical to have the starter catch 2/3 and backup catch 1/3
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby MFP » Mon Sep 30, 2019 16:58:42

BigEd76 wrote:Rendon is good but I don't see the point in going after him when you have Hoskins and Bohm and pitching is a bigger need

Thought would then be that the odd man out between Bohm and Hoskins would be trade bait to try to get an impact pitcher. Steaks has already floated the possibility of Hoskins being moved if this season scared the Phillies on committing to him long-term, though selling low on him after the year he had wouldn't seem to be particularly wise.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby ReadingPhilly » Mon Sep 30, 2019 16:59:57

MFP wrote:
BigEd76 wrote:Rendon is good but I don't see the point in going after him when you have Hoskins and Bohm and pitching is a bigger need

Thought would then be that the odd man out between Bohm and Hoskins would be trade bait to try to get an impact pitcher. Steaks has already floated the possibility of Hoskins being moved if this season scared the Phillies on committing to him long-term, though selling low on him after the year he had wouldn't seem to be particularly wise.


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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby philliesphhan » Mon Sep 30, 2019 17:02:16

MFP wrote:
BigEd76 wrote:Rendon is good but I don't see the point in going after him when you have Hoskins and Bohm and pitching is a bigger need

Thought would then be that the odd man out between Bohm and Hoskins would be trade bait to try to get an impact pitcher. Steaks has already floated the possibility of Hoskins being moved if this season scared the Phillies on committing to him long-term, though selling low on him after the year he had wouldn't seem to be particularly wise.


That's exactly why I don't understand a lot of the trade Hoskins talk. He's at his lowest trade value by far right now.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Shore » Mon Sep 30, 2019 17:02:18

philliesphhan wrote:Shore, I'd be curious to see the catcher numbers when you lower the games caught to 108. While obviously not nearly the amount JT does now, that seems more typical to have the starter catch 2/3 and backup catch 1/3


Goes to 13 out of 58 (Still missing Boone and Fisk, because of the 600 through age 28). Adds:

Piazza
Javy Lopez
Lance Parrish
Ivan Rodriguez
Terry Kennedy
Russell Martin

Catching hurts. Posey was one of the best players in the league, a 5-8 win guy, and he's barely over replacement level at 32. Bench was, well, Bench - and retired at 35. Joe Mauer quit catching at 30. Ted Simmons played 20 years, but caught like 120 games combined in his last 6 years. Thurman Munson didn't catch after age 32... ok, THAT was disingenuous.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Bucky » Mon Sep 30, 2019 17:04:00

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby mtcal » Mon Sep 30, 2019 20:41:57

so the question is do you do something like see if JT is up for some frontloading on a longer deal? seems like a win on both sides if he starts to decline right?

does he have an injury history that we fear?

we can't let him disgruntled or leave right? we don't have anything that can compare to what he does anytime soon yes?
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Uncle Milty » Mon Sep 30, 2019 23:02:50

mtcal wrote:so the question is do you do something like see if JT is up for some frontloading on a longer deal? seems like a win on both sides if he starts to decline right?

does he have an injury history that we fear?

we can't let him disgruntled or leave right? we don't have anything that can compare to what he does anytime soon yes?

Front-loading doesn't make much sense for the team since the average counts for luxury tax calculations.

However small, I think there's some connection between trading for JT and signing Bryce. A minor part of the reason I want to extend JT.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby SixerLed3 » Tue Oct 01, 2019 09:33:29

The Phillies will extend the netting from foul pole to foul pole in advance of next season.

The Philadelphia Phillies told NBC News exclusively they are going to extend their netting to the foul poles by the 2020 season.

So far, a total of 13 teams have announced a further extension of netting. Six teams announced an extension this season — the White Sox, Braves, Washington Nationals, Baltimore Orioles, Los Angeles Dodgers, and Houston Astros. The other seven teams — the Arizona Diamondbacks, Kansas City Royals, Milwaukee Brewers, Pittsburgh Pirates, Texas Rangers, Toronto Blue Jays and the Philadelphia Phillies — have all committed to extending their netting by the 2020 season.

Seventeen teams have not announced any plans to make additional extensions to their netting. Of those 17, some already have netting that extends past the home and visitor dugouts, but none have netting that extends to the foul poles.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/we- ... d_nn_tw_ma

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby heyeaglefn » Tue Oct 01, 2019 09:38:30

Good strategy to prevent homeruns.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby thephan » Tue Oct 01, 2019 09:40:40

$$ The Athletic reporting on the possibility of moving Jean Segura from shortstop in 2020. Apparently this has been an active discussion in the organization, One of the landing spots could be 3B. I never considered that, but it could be a good slot. That is the most intriguing move in my mind (others is 2B) as it solves one problem. Kingery gets moved all over the place in these what-if scenarios, but part of the possibility is looking for a replacement SS.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Slowhand » Tue Oct 01, 2019 09:43:27

I’d definitely be OK with not having Segura at SS.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Oct 01, 2019 09:47:35

who would play SS then? doesnt seem that there are any FAs worth targeting.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby MoBettle » Tue Oct 01, 2019 09:53:46

SixerLed3 wrote:The Phillies will extend the netting from foul pole to foul pole in advance of next season.

The Philadelphia Phillies told NBC News exclusively they are going to extend their netting to the foul poles by the 2020 season.

So far, a total of 13 teams have announced a further extension of netting. Six teams announced an extension this season — the White Sox, Braves, Washington Nationals, Baltimore Orioles, Los Angeles Dodgers, and Houston Astros. The other seven teams — the Arizona Diamondbacks, Kansas City Royals, Milwaukee Brewers, Pittsburgh Pirates, Texas Rangers, Toronto Blue Jays and the Philadelphia Phillies — have all committed to extending their netting by the 2020 season.

Seventeen teams have not announced any plans to make additional extensions to their netting. Of those 17, some already have netting that extends past the home and visitor dugouts, but none have netting that extends to the foul poles.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/we- ... d_nn_tw_ma


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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Brantt » Tue Oct 01, 2019 09:54:54

MoBettle wrote:
SixerLed3 wrote:The Phillies will extend the netting from foul pole to foul pole in advance of next season.

The Philadelphia Phillies told NBC News exclusively they are going to extend their netting to the foul poles by the 2020 season.

So far, a total of 13 teams have announced a further extension of netting. Six teams announced an extension this season — the White Sox, Braves, Washington Nationals, Baltimore Orioles, Los Angeles Dodgers, and Houston Astros. The other seven teams — the Arizona Diamondbacks, Kansas City Royals, Milwaukee Brewers, Pittsburgh Pirates, Texas Rangers, Toronto Blue Jays and the Philadelphia Phillies — have all committed to extending their netting by the 2020 season.

Seventeen teams have not announced any plans to make additional extensions to their netting. Of those 17, some already have netting that extends past the home and visitor dugouts, but none have netting that extends to the foul poles.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/we- ... d_nn_tw_ma


They need to figure out how to invent the Wakanda clear force field thing. I get that this is inevitable but you can’t just have a majority of the seats have obstructed views in a sport that’s already struggling with attendance.


Agree.

This will hurt at the gate. Looking through the net sucks.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby azrider » Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:00:19

i don't know, it kinda gives baseball that 3rd world atmosphere where you don't know if the netting is meant for protecting the fans or the players.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby pacino » Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:16:15

we should probably re-sign the best player at his position who has no history of injury and then focus on obtaining a quality backup. you can deal with eating a year at the end of a contract.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby bleh » Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:18:28

thephan wrote:$$ The Athletic reporting on the possibility of moving Jean Segura from shortstop in 2020. Apparently this has been an active discussion in the organization, One of the landing spots could be 3B. I never considered that, but it could be a good slot. That is the most intriguing move in my mind (others is 2B) as it solves one problem. Kingery gets moved all over the place in these what-if scenarios, but part of the possibility is looking for a replacement SS.

Maybe they like Didi Gregorius? He looks like he would be a good buy low candidate.

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