azrider wrote:dh, doesn't factor in the equation, he's no piazza. i'll take the risk, and it is an obvious one till 2025. lots of catchers lasted into their mid 30's. it's not first base or lf, it can be a pain in the ass position to find a good replacement. unless you're like team that's just loaded all over the place.

"Lots of catchers lasted into their mid 30's"

58 Catchers in the integration era have caught 600 games through age 28 season (JT's at 627). 7 of them caught 120 games/year for 6 years after that - Yogi, Carter, Kendall, Pena, Pierzynski, Sundberg, and Molina.

That's a pretty shitty ratio.

so you're saying there's a chance

1 out of 3 Molina chance.

Shore wrote:

azrider wrote:dh, doesn't factor in the equation, he's no piazza. i'll take the risk, and it is an obvious one till 2025. lots of catchers lasted into their mid 30's. it's not first base or lf, it can be a pain in the ass position to find a good replacement. unless you're like team that's just loaded all over the place.

"Lots of catchers lasted into their mid 30's"

58 Catchers in the integration era have caught 600 games through age 28 season (JT's at 627). 7 of them caught 120 games/year for 6 years after that - Yogi, Carter, Kendall, Pena, Pierzynski, Sundberg, and Molina.

That's a pretty shitty ratio.

That Carlton Fisk isn't on that list makes it seem arbitrary and disingenuous.

Wolfgang622 wrote:

Shore wrote:

azrider wrote:dh, doesn't factor in the equation, he's no piazza. i'll take the risk, and it is an obvious one till 2025. lots of catchers lasted into their mid 30's. it's not first base or lf, it can be a pain in the ass position to find a good replacement. unless you're like team that's just loaded all over the place.

"Lots of catchers lasted into their mid 30's"

58 Catchers in the integration era have caught 600 games through age 28 season (JT's at 627). 7 of them caught 120 games/year for 6 years after that - Yogi, Carter, Kendall, Pena, Pierzynski, Sundberg, and Molina.

That's a pretty shitty ratio.

That Carlton Fisk isn't on that list makes it seem arbitrary and disingenuous.

Oh, sorry for my disingenuous list. It's just filters, not hunting for players or points.

Fisk, it appears, doesn't make the list because he only caught about 500 games through age 28. A late bloomer. If you have any other names that I conspired to leave off, feel free to nominate them. Now we're at 8* out of 59*.

He (Fisk) also only caught 684 games in the 6 years from ages 29-34. <edited for snark>

Shore wrote:

Wolfgang622 wrote:

Shore wrote:

azrider wrote:dh, doesn't factor in the equation, he's no piazza. i'll take the risk, and it is an obvious one till 2025. lots of catchers lasted into their mid 30's. it's not first base or lf, it can be a pain in the ass position to find a good replacement. unless you're like team that's just loaded all over the place.

"Lots of catchers lasted into their mid 30's"

58 Catchers in the integration era have caught 600 games through age 28 season (JT's at 627). 7 of them caught 120 games/year for 6 years after that - Yogi, Carter, Kendall, Pena, Pierzynski, Sundberg, and Molina.

That's a pretty shitty ratio.

That Carlton Fisk isn't on that list makes it seem arbitrary and disingenuous.

Oh, sorry for my disingenuous list. It's just filters, not hunting for players or points.

Fisk, it appears, doesn't make the list because he only caught about 500 games through age 28. A late bloomer. If you have any other names that I conspired to leave off, feel free to nominate them. Now we're at 8* out of 59*.

Sorry Shore, didn't mean to imply *you* were being arbitrary or disingenuous; I thought you picked up the list from somewhere. Also it was more just a comment on, "How can it possibly be that Carlton Fisk who was catching in his goddamn 40s and was famously enduring isn't on that list?"

MY bad. I'm just crabby (ier than normal). Mondays suck. Fantasy football team lost to a MFer starting Jordan MF Howard.

Anyway, I just filtered BBREF Play Index for people who caught 600 games through age 28, and then again for 720 games between 29 and 34, and matched them.

Sorry for misunderstanding.

Shore wrote:Fantasy football team lost to a MFer starting Jordan MF Howard.

Howard's gonna stomp ya twice more babbe

Grotewold wrote:

Shore wrote:Fantasy football team lost to a MFer starting Jordan MF Howard.

Howard's gonna stomp ya twice more babbe

I'll spend no time worrying about Jordan Howard, just cursing this weekend's game.

Shore wrote:

Wolfgang622 wrote:

Shore wrote:

azrider wrote:dh, doesn't factor in the equation, he's no piazza. i'll take the risk, and it is an obvious one till 2025. lots of catchers lasted into their mid 30's. it's not first base or lf, it can be a pain in the ass position to find a good replacement. unless you're like team that's just loaded all over the place.

"Lots of catchers lasted into their mid 30's"

58 Catchers in the integration era have caught 600 games through age 28 season (JT's at 627). 7 of them caught 120 games/year for 6 years after that - Yogi, Carter, Kendall, Pena, Pierzynski, Sundberg, and Molina.

That's a pretty shitty ratio.

That Carlton Fisk isn't on that list makes it seem arbitrary and disingenuous.

Oh, sorry for my disingenuous list. It's just filters, not hunting for players or points.

Fisk, it appears, doesn't make the list because he only caught about 500 games through age 28. A late bloomer. If you have any other names that I conspired to leave off, feel free to nominate them. Now we're at 8* out of 59*.

Why do you hate Bob Boone so much too? (though Boone not only misses the list since he didn't reach 600 until age 29, he also only caught 117 games in 1979, and 75 in 1981, though he can't really be blamed for the latter.)

I agree that long lived catchers are rare, though. Just being my usual jerky self.

Interesting tidbit from Steaks on his podcast today: He thinks the good relationship between Boras and Middleton (and Middleton's obvious willingness to shell out top $$$) is going to have Boras attempt to land one of Anthony Rendon or Gerrit Cole (both of whom he represents) with the Phillies as a way to help Harper eventually win a WS.

(While also getting the Phillies to outbid everyone else)

Yeah Boras loves whoever the top bidder ends up being. Just like most sales people love their top spending customers.

All true, but it was just interesting the way he couched it. Talked about it as Boras keeping his "prized client" in Harper happy by funneling one of Cole or Rendon here as a way to help Harper win.

Does Boras have a reason to need to coddle Harper now that he has his contract?

if boras does that to keep harper happy, then's he's guilty of malpractice to his other clients.

Rendon is good but I don't see the point in going after him when you have Hoskins and Bohm and pitching is a bigger need

MFP wrote:All true, but it was just interesting the way he couched it. Talked about it as Boras keeping his "prized client" in Harper happy by funneling one of Cole or Rendon here as a way to help Harper win.

Yeah I guess I could see Cole or Rendon saying, I want to go to these 10 teams and Boras mentioning Philadelphia if for some reason they don't want to consider coming here.

More likely though I think highest $$$$ will win for both guys no matter what.

It could also just be Boras can tell them to take any interest from the Phillies seriously because they mean business. They aren’t the sort of team that’s going to feign interest for a month or two in hopes that they’ll get some sort of bargain or to screw with another team.

Comes down to money at the end of the day of course.