Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby philliesphhan » Wed Jan 29, 2020 16:11:35

Wolfgang622 wrote:
heyeaglefn wrote:Why don't people like interleague play, only because of the DH? It is weird baseball is the only sport where you don't play every team every year, but I can't imagine never playing an AL team outside of the WS. Doesn't seem like a smart move for viewership or fans if you play 162 games against the same 14 teams.


Because it made baseball unique. The AL was more interesting on one level to me before 1997 precisely because the Phillies never played AL teams. Having the AL around was the closest thing in real life you could get (if you were a baseball fan) to having an alternate or mirror universe. The DH-in-the-AL-exclusively only accentuated that feel. People would talk about the difference between AL and NL style of play, and AL and NL strike zones, and those differences were real and meant something. I imagine that must have been twice as fun when the Athletics were in town too (albeit no DH then), though obviously I post-date that by quite a bit.

It also made spring training, the All-Star Game, and the World Series all more fundamentally interesting, especially, as was always the case when I was a kid, if the Phillies had no shot in hell of participating except with a token player in the former, and not at all in the latter.

All those things lost a little of their luster so the Phillies can play an away series in Cleveland every sixth year. Whoopdee fucking do.

The best argument was always, "But now fans from every city get to see every team," but three things:

1. Modern media makes it so you can see any team you want at any time.
2. If you simply must see somebody live, most baseball teams are close enough to some other team that you could generally make a trip out of your home market without too much trouble and see an AL game or an NL game if that is what you wanted to do, and your normal thing was the other league. I myself first saw a non-Phillies game in Baltimore, and it felt doubly special not because of any one player in it, but because I was watching American League baseball. I realize this is easier in the northeast than pretty much any place else, but then Atlantans should have thought of that before stealing the Braves from Milwaukee, so fuck them.
3. I think baseball, like hockey, is mostly a parochial sport; that is, people's interest is generally more local than national (i.e., some people like basketball players or football players and will follow whatever team(s) those players happen to be on, but this is less so of baseball and hockey). I for one do not care who the Phillies are playing, in one sense, when I go to see the Phillies. I am there to see them, and see them win. I couldn't care less if Mike Trout or Joe Schlabotnik is on the opposing team. This might seem like an argument for interleague play - after all, what do I care then? - but, as I say, what was fun about consuming baseball at home was the mystery and mystique of "that other league."

It was unique to baseball, and anything unique to baseball that sets it apart in this day and age helps to differentiate its brand in a crowded entertainment market place and is good, I say. But obviously I don't matter, and watching pitchers get progressively worse at hitting as baseball, as all sports, has become increasingly specialized from an early age sucks big time, and so, FUCK IT, let it be so.


It's also stupid because the teams you play are still unbalanced so some of it has gotten dull. The Phillies have played the Red Sox 71 TIMES. Meanwhile they've played the White Sox just 19 times. They've played other AL teams even fewer times but I at least understand why they don't play the west coast teams much. We go to Chicago every goddamn year anyway so it's silly that's how infrequently they've played the White Sox while we play our fake rival Boston all the damn time.
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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby MoBettle » Wed Jan 29, 2020 17:53:01

Personally I enjoy playing the Red Sox more than the boring White Sox.
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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby swishnicholson » Wed Jan 29, 2020 18:03:40

MoBettle wrote:Personally I enjoy playing the Red Sox more than the boring White Sox.



I don't see color.
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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby BigEd76 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 18:09:46

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MoBettle wrote:Astros agree to terms with Dusty Baker to be their human shield I mean Manager.


Not official yet. Everyone's source is Nightengale, who said it was a done deal in an article labelled "Opinion"


Now official. Sounds like it's only a 1-year deal w/ option

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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby Carbon » Wed Jan 29, 2020 19:12:55

swishnicholson wrote:
MoBettle wrote:Personally I enjoy playing the Red Sox more than the boring White Sox.



I don't see color.


They have glasses now that can help out with that.

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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby BigEd76 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 19:14:00

MLB teams have been told they can only carry a max of 13 pitchers on their 26-man roster, so the extra spot will be for a bench player not a reliever

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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby MoBettle » Wed Jan 29, 2020 19:36:36

So now we’re defining who is and isn’t a pitcher
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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby Bucky » Wed Jan 29, 2020 19:42:42

rules were already in place

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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby MoBettle » Wed Jan 29, 2020 19:51:56

So we’ve been defining who is and isn’t a pitcher
Two days later I get a text back that says I'm a basketball player and a businessman, not a Thundercat.

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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby Bucky » Wed Jan 29, 2020 19:53:45

correct

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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby swishnicholson » Wed Jan 29, 2020 20:50:18

MoBettle wrote:So we’ve been defining who is and isn’t a pitcher


Where does Nick Pivetta fall in that classification?
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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby BigEd76 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 20:55:19

BigEd76 wrote:
BigEd76 wrote:
MoBettle wrote:Astros agree to terms with Dusty Baker to be their human shield I mean Manager.


Not official yet. Everyone's source is Nightengale, who said it was a done deal in an article labelled "Opinion"


Now official. Sounds like it's only a 1-year deal w/ option


Also he gets to manage the AL in the All-Star Game this year

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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby phatj » Wed Jan 29, 2020 23:01:42

swishnicholson wrote:
MoBettle wrote:So we’ve been defining who is and isn’t a pitcher


Where does Nick Pivetta fall in that classification?

Not a belly itcher
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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby Wolfgang622 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 23:49:17

phatj wrote:
swishnicholson wrote:
MoBettle wrote:So we’ve been defining who is and isn’t a pitcher


Where does Nick Pivetta fall in that classification?

Not a belly itcher


:lol:

Although “a belly itcher” would also have been acceptable.
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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby ReadingPhilly » Thu Jan 30, 2020 16:05:03

SwingOnThis wrote:I'm really curious to see the rest of the teams. Will the Royals have a rack of BBQ ribs?


astros one is fitting
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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby azrider » Thu Jan 30, 2020 16:06:50

i would buy that.

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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby Polar Bear Phan » Thu Jan 30, 2020 16:23:44

heyeaglefn wrote:
stevelxa476 wrote:I liked the novelty of it when it first started, especially when they started alternating what divisions each team played. But now that every teams has visited every city, I would be fine with going back to the traditional separation.

Plus the natural rivals series can make things a little unbalanced. The Nats get to play the O's every year, but the Mets have to play the Yankees every year.

I would be for the NFL system where you play every team on a rotation if that is possible. So Mets and Yankees only play once every 4 or 5 years, however it would work out.


I would favor the system the NHL had about 10 years ago where an NL team plays two of the three AL divisions in a given year (one division away/one home) and it rotates. This would mean the Phillies play every AL team for one series home and away over three years.

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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby phorever » Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:03:35

i've seen a couple mentions this offseason of the possibility of taking away the astro's ws title. this inspired me to go back and check out possible justification for giving the phillies the 2009 ws title won from them by a yankees team that had 4 ped-linked guys on their postseason roster. it's a fascinating game of what-if, if nothing else:

games 3 and 7 were won by starting pitcher and confessed ped-user pettitte. in each game two of the yankee runs were contributed (runs+rbi-hr) by ped user arod, and the final score differences were 3 runs and 4 runs. ped users melky and cano contributed little to the offense, but had 5 put-outs and 2 assists in game 3, and 2 and 4 (all by cano) in game 7.

none of the above contributed much offensively to the yankees frustratingly narrow 3-1 game 2 victory, but the ped guys filled 3 fielding positions for the whole game, contributing to a total of 6 outs.

the yankees margin of victory in game 4 was 3 runs, precisely the number of offensive runs contributed by arod and melky.

by comparison the ped guys on the 2009 phillies were bastardo and jc romero. jc had a meh season and didn't play in the postseason. bastardo was mostly bad during the season and faced (and struck out) just one batter in the postseason (game 2 nlds, which the phillies lost).
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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby ReadingPhilly » Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:37:56

curtis granderson retired. always felt like he would be a phils at some point in his later years.

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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby BigEd76 » Mon Feb 03, 2020 18:06:48

Missed this one last week, but ol friend Peter Bourjos retired and became an advanced scout for the Rockies

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