MoBettle wrote:We have 4 years of him in the rotation, never reach 150 innings and has a career 91 ERA+. He’s gonna be 28 next year. They can’t let a few hot starts trick them into just giving him a spot in the rotation again.

thephan wrote:I think that Whitey's prop is in dream land. It would be awesome, but will the team commit? They tried the Moar Batz approach this year and choked on it. In fairness it seemed like you could have trusted the rotation at least a little, and all there is are starts between Nola Day. I am not sure the source, but a writer made that case that the highest points in Phils history at CBP were pitching driven with complementary bats, but not predicated on mashers.

phillychuck wrote:

MoBettle wrote:We have 4 years of him in the rotation, never reach 150 innings and has a career 91 ERA+. He’s gonna be 28 next year. They can’t let a few hot starts trick them into just giving him a spot in the rotation again.

What do we think a #5 starter is? An inconsistent guy with a 4-5 ERA is better than most teams have.

Uncle Milty wrote:

SixerLed3 wrote:Bob Nightengale chimes in on potential coaching vacancies across the league:

The only real question is whether Kapler takes the fall or his coaching staff? Phillies GM Matt Klentak wants to bring Kapler back, and is open to shuffling the staff.

Then again, this may not necessarily be his call.

Phillies owner John Middleton is the one who ordered Klentak to fire hitting coach John Mallee and bring back Charlie Manuel, and it’s quite possible he calls the shot this time, too. And, if Kapler is out, is he Bochy’s replacement in San Francisco, considering his relationship with Giants president Farhan Zaidi from their Los Angeles Dodgers’ days together?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/m ... 349935001/

Klentak supporting Kapler should tell Meddleton what he really needs to do.

Uncle Milty wrote:

heyeaglefn wrote:

WhiteyFan wrote:

heyeaglefn wrote:

MoBettle wrote:

heyeaglefn wrote:

MoBettle wrote:

heyeaglefn wrote:They aren't going to be able to turn over the starting rotation in one offseason, I think he will need to be a 4/5 for them next year.

Well you have Nola and Arrieta (for a few months at least.) You can sign two starters and let the remainder battle it out in camp for the 5th spot with Howard looming.

I am not counting on Arrieta at all next year, hopefully he can come in and be a solid #3 but I don't know if he has that in him anymore.

Fair but realistically with all the money they owe him I imagine they will at least go into the year with him in the rotation.

Oh yeah he will definitely be in the rotation, I just am saying in an ideal world you would somehow get two guys that would be ahead of him in the rotation, but I don't know if that is even possible in one offseason.

This pretty much has to happen if the Phils expect to contend. Sign Cole for sure and then either trade or sign for another SP.
1. Cole
2. Nola
3. FA/Trade acquisition
4. Arrieta
5. Eflin

Is the money there for Cole? I would guess they don't want to get close to luxury tax line next year but I haven't been following their salary situation.

IIRC they have over $50M, not counting arbitration and pre-arbitration players. Can probably get close to Gerrit and extending JT.

MoBettle wrote:If he earns a spot over Eflin or whoever in camp fine

Bill McNeal wrote:

Uncle Milty wrote:

heyeaglefn wrote:

WhiteyFan wrote:

heyeaglefn wrote:

MoBettle wrote:

heyeaglefn wrote:

MoBettle wrote:

heyeaglefn wrote:They aren't going to be able to turn over the starting rotation in one offseason, I think he will need to be a 4/5 for them next year.

Well you have Nola and Arrieta (for a few months at least.) You can sign two starters and let the remainder battle it out in camp for the 5th spot with Howard looming.

I am not counting on Arrieta at all next year, hopefully he can come in and be a solid #3 but I don't know if he has that in him anymore.

Fair but realistically with all the money they owe him I imagine they will at least go into the year with him in the rotation.

Oh yeah he will definitely be in the rotation, I just am saying in an ideal world you would somehow get two guys that would be ahead of him in the rotation, but I don't know if that is even possible in one offseason.

This pretty much has to happen if the Phils expect to contend. Sign Cole for sure and then either trade or sign for another SP.
1. Cole
2. Nola
3. FA/Trade acquisition
4. Arrieta
5. Eflin

Is the money there for Cole? I would guess they don't want to get close to luxury tax line next year but I haven't been following their salary situation.

IIRC they have over $50M, not counting arbitration and pre-arbitration players. Can probably get close to Gerrit and extending JT.

Then in 2021 Arietta’s $25m comes off the books.

WhiteyFan wrote:This pretty much has to happen if the Phils expect to contend. Sign Cole for sure and then either trade or sign for another SP.
1. Cole
2. Nola
3. FA/Trade acquisition
4. Arrieta
5. Eflin

Squire wrote:Is there any corroboration at all that Middleton ordered Klentak to fire Mallee and bring back Manuel? Or is that one of those assertions that gets speculated so much that it becomes whisper down the lane accepted as fact?

Wolfgang622 wrote:

WhiteyFan wrote:This pretty much has to happen if the Phils expect to contend. Sign Cole for sure and then either trade or sign for another SP.
1. Cole
2. Nola
3. FA/Trade acquisition
4. Arrieta
5. Eflin

Thought for sure you meant Cole Hamels, and I was like, "Well I want him back too, but as much as I like the guy I don't know that I would slot him in front of Nola at this point."

Then I remember that Gerrit guy and I was like "oh."

mcare89 wrote:

Uncle Milty wrote:

SixerLed3 wrote:Bob Nightengale chimes in on potential coaching vacancies across the league:

The only real question is whether Kapler takes the fall or his coaching staff? Phillies GM Matt Klentak wants to bring Kapler back, and is open to shuffling the staff.

Then again, this may not necessarily be his call.

Phillies owner John Middleton is the one who ordered Klentak to fire hitting coach John Mallee and bring back Charlie Manuel, and it’s quite possible he calls the shot this time, too. And, if Kapler is out, is he Bochy’s replacement in San Francisco, considering his relationship with Giants president Farhan Zaidi from their Los Angeles Dodgers’ days together?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/m ... 349935001/

Klentak supporting Kapler should tell Meddleton what he really needs to do.

I don’t agree with your general premise, but I do think that if you have to keep overruling your GM on personnel, you need to do one of two things:

1) stop meddling, let them cook the damn meal and set goals that need to be achieved along the way
2) get a new GM

Wheels Tupay wrote:I give them both one more year but put them on the hottest of hot seats

BigEd76 wrote:Klentak via Steaks:

-- no commitment to Gabe for 2020 but it sounds like he's returning
-- no commitment to Young but says he helped pitchers improve in 2018
-- not second-guessing himself over a player like Keuchel (can't mention him directly) since they thought the pitching staff would improve
-- thinks the trade deadline was a success because they didn't give up much
-- extension for Realmuto will be a priority this offseason
-- Howard will likely start at LV