mcare89 wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:What a joke. With all the pitchers who were available in the offseason on one year deals, and the few that have been signed or traded for during the season, we end up with the guy with an ERA over 8. And he's plugged right into the rotation, of course, just so he can show everyone how much he sucks.

With all the options that were available over the last 9 months, this should piss people off. He's clearly not back from the injury, if he ever will be. I don't know what they think will happen. If he pitches well, it's just dumb luck. This is like signing delmon young and thinking he will finally put it together.

The list of pitchers who signed one-year deals this year is actually pretty terrible, there's like two guys out there that represent even a slight upgrade over the Phillies bottom of the rotation guys.

I really don't care about the signing one way or another, it's a no-cost band-aid, if it works, great, if he gets blown up, well, so was everyone else, dump him and go find someone else.

Yup. This is how I feel about it. Tinker with low/no cost changes and see if it clicks. Keep your powder (money/tax space/prospects) dry unless you are going to get a real difference maker that you would have multiple years of control on.

The B1G Piece wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:What a joke. With all the pitchers who were available in the offseason on one year deals, and the few that have been signed or traded for during the season, we end up with the guy with an ERA over 8. And he's plugged right into the rotation, of course, just so he can show everyone how much he sucks.

With all the options that were available over the last 9 months, this should piss people off. He's clearly not back from the injury, if he ever will be. I don't know what they think will happen. If he pitches well, it's just dumb luck. This is like signing delmon young and thinking he will finally put it together.

Dallas Keuchel has a 5.23 FIP and K-Rate 1 per inning lower than Jake Arrieta.

There may be a lot of things to criticize Klentak about. His restraint in the offseason SP market is not one of them.

The B1G Piece wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:What a joke. With all the pitchers who were available in the offseason on one year deals, and the few that have been signed or traded for during the season, we end up with the guy with an ERA over 8. And he's plugged right into the rotation, of course, just so he can show everyone how much he sucks.

With all the options that were available over the last 9 months, this should piss people off. He's clearly not back from the injury, if he ever will be. I don't know what they think will happen. If he pitches well, it's just dumb luck. This is like signing delmon young and thinking he will finally put it together.

Dallas Keuchel has a 5.23 FIP and K-Rate 1 per inning lower than Jake Arrieta.

In a handful of starts. If you want to make a wager that Smyly will outperform Keuchel, I'll take your money

God, Delmon Young. I know I wrote a few posts about how awful the decision-making was behind that signing.

Monkeyboy wrote:

The B1G Piece wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:What a joke. With all the pitchers who were available in the offseason on one year deals, and the few that have been signed or traded for during the season, we end up with the guy with an ERA over 8. And he's plugged right into the rotation, of course, just so he can show everyone how much he sucks.

With all the options that were available over the last 9 months, this should piss people off. He's clearly not back from the injury, if he ever will be. I don't know what they think will happen. If he pitches well, it's just dumb luck. This is like signing delmon young and thinking he will finally put it together.

Dallas Keuchel has a 5.23 FIP and K-Rate 1 per inning lower than Jake Arrieta.

In a handful of starts. If you want to make a wager that Smyly will outperform Keuchel, I'll take your money

I wouldn’t bet that Smyly will be better than Keuchel or good or anything, but I don’t think Keuchel will be good or worth what he signed for. At least the Phillies aren’t capped out by seeing if Smyly can put together a decent or serviceable start or two.

Pivetta not happy about the bullpen move, per Salisbury:

PITTSBURGH — Nick Pivetta is going to the bullpen and though he accepts the move, he doesn’t seem particularly thrilled about it. That much was clear by the series of curt responses he offered to reporters’ questions before Friday night’s game against the Pirates.

“They had their explanation and I’m in the bullpen,” he said. “That’s all I have to say.

“It’s their decision. I’m here to support the 25 guys in this room and do the best I can to win baseball games for this team, for the players in this room.”

What a clown.

OK, so the guy with an ERA over 8 is a good signing. I'm all wet, I guess.

It could turn out fine, but the likelihood is very small. I've all but given up on VV and Pivetta and I think they are both more likely to have a good stretch of games than Smyly. Make a list of all the possible things they could have done to improve the SP since the end of last season and this would be near the very bottom. Even long shots hit on occasion, but this is a very long shot. And he's been so bad that he'll give us a very small chance of winning if he pitches like he has been. He'll get at least 2-3 starts and we'll be another 10-15 games closer to the end of the season without doing anything to help the SP. Then I guess we'll move on to the next long shot to waste another 10-20 games. If we're lucky, maybe we'll hit on one by mid-September.

And I do get that this is a no cost move and maybe we aren't going anywhere anyway, so no point wasting resources. I just don't agree with the methods, particularly given how the team was sold at the beginning of the year.. There's a big opportunity cost here

Werthless wrote:God, Delmon Young. I know I wrote a few posts about how awful the decision-making was behind that signing.

exactly, it was bad. That's why I used it as an example.

Maybe they want to include Pivetta in a deal but need someone to take his rotation spot, and since they don't like anyone on the farm to start now, they sign Smyly to eat innings while, hopefully, Pivetta looks good out of the pen.

Gives them enough time for Pivetta to come out of the pen a few times and, if he's effective, they can sell that to teams that his real role is in relief.

It's a longshot, really, but there aren't a lot of guys with value on this team, so they need to maximize it where ever they can.

Bill McNeal wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

The B1G Piece wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:What a joke. With all the pitchers who were available in the offseason on one year deals, and the few that have been signed or traded for during the season, we end up with the guy with an ERA over 8. And he's plugged right into the rotation, of course, just so he can show everyone how much he sucks.

With all the options that were available over the last 9 months, this should piss people off. He's clearly not back from the injury, if he ever will be. I don't know what they think will happen. If he pitches well, it's just dumb luck. This is like signing delmon young and thinking he will finally put it together.

Dallas Keuchel has a 5.23 FIP and K-Rate 1 per inning lower than Jake Arrieta.

In a handful of starts. If you want to make a wager that Smyly will outperform Keuchel, I'll take your money

I wouldn’t bet that Smyly will be better than Keuchel or good or anything, but I don’t think Keuchel will be good or worth what he signed for. At least the Phillies aren’t capped out by seeing if Smyly can put together a decent or serviceable start or two.

I think Keuchel is being paid little when you consider it's a one year deal. Maybe he didn't want to come to philly, I don't know, but I think he will earn his paycheck (by today's standards). And I think he could be quite good once he is at full strength, not great, but at least an order of magnitude better than smyly.

Monkeyboy wrote:

Bill McNeal wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

The B1G Piece wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:What a joke. With all the pitchers who were available in the offseason on one year deals, and the few that have been signed or traded for during the season, we end up with the guy with an ERA over 8. And he's plugged right into the rotation, of course, just so he can show everyone how much he sucks.

With all the options that were available over the last 9 months, this should piss people off. He's clearly not back from the injury, if he ever will be. I don't know what they think will happen. If he pitches well, it's just dumb luck. This is like signing delmon young and thinking he will finally put it together.

Dallas Keuchel has a 5.23 FIP and K-Rate 1 per inning lower than Jake Arrieta.

In a handful of starts. If you want to make a wager that Smyly will outperform Keuchel, I'll take your money

I wouldn’t bet that Smyly will be better than Keuchel or good or anything, but I don’t think Keuchel will be good or worth what he signed for. At least the Phillies aren’t capped out by seeing if Smyly can put together a decent or serviceable start or two.

I think Keuchel is being paid little when you consider it's a one year deal. Maybe he didn't want to come to philly, I don't know, but I think he will earn his paycheck (by today's standards). And I think he could be quite good once he is at full strength, not great, but at least an order of magnitude better than smyly.

Well he sucked down the stretch last season when he was at full strength.

He may be toast.

Benny Lava wrote:Maybe they want to include Pivetta in a deal but need someone to take his rotation spot, and since they don't like anyone on the farm to start now, they sign Smyly to eat innings while, hopefully, Pivetta looks good out of the pen.

Gives them enough time for Pivetta to come out of the pen a few times and, if he's effective, they can sell that to teams that his real role is in relief.

It's a longshot, really, but there aren't a lot of guys with value on this team, so they need to maximize it where ever they can.

If Pivetta looks good in the pen, I rather the Phillies keep him

06hawkalum wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

Bill McNeal wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

The B1G Piece wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:What a joke. With all the pitchers who were available in the offseason on one year deals, and the few that have been signed or traded for during the season, we end up with the guy with an ERA over 8. And he's plugged right into the rotation, of course, just so he can show everyone how much he sucks.

With all the options that were available over the last 9 months, this should piss people off. He's clearly not back from the injury, if he ever will be. I don't know what they think will happen. If he pitches well, it's just dumb luck. This is like signing delmon young and thinking he will finally put it together.

Dallas Keuchel has a 5.23 FIP and K-Rate 1 per inning lower than Jake Arrieta.

In a handful of starts. If you want to make a wager that Smyly will outperform Keuchel, I'll take your money

I wouldn’t bet that Smyly will be better than Keuchel or good or anything, but I don’t think Keuchel will be good or worth what he signed for. At least the Phillies aren’t capped out by seeing if Smyly can put together a decent or serviceable start or two.

I think Keuchel is being paid little when you consider it's a one year deal. Maybe he didn't want to come to philly, I don't know, but I think he will earn his paycheck (by today's standards). And I think he could be quite good once he is at full strength, not great, but at least an order of magnitude better than smyly.

Well he sucked down the stretch last season when he was at full strength.

He may be toast.

That would be nice. They can run him out there and we can run out smyly and it will be a wash. The braves are well under the cap so the money doesn't hurt them

Monkeyboy wrote:

Werthless wrote:God, Delmon Young. I know I wrote a few posts about how awful the decision-making was behind that signing.

exactly, it was bad. That's why I used it as an example.

Yeah, I understood. The name gives me a sense of nostalgia... Or, more precisely, whatever the word is for the opposite of nostalgia.

PTSD

Bucky wrote:PTSD

My hat’s off to you, well done.

Monkeyboy wrote:

Bill McNeal wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

The B1G Piece wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:What a joke. With all the pitchers who were available in the offseason on one year deals, and the few that have been signed or traded for during the season, we end up with the guy with an ERA over 8. And he's plugged right into the rotation, of course, just so he can show everyone how much he sucks.

With all the options that were available over the last 9 months, this should piss people off. He's clearly not back from the injury, if he ever will be. I don't know what they think will happen. If he pitches well, it's just dumb luck. This is like signing delmon young and thinking he will finally put it together.

Dallas Keuchel has a 5.23 FIP and K-Rate 1 per inning lower than Jake Arrieta.

In a handful of starts. If you want to make a wager that Smyly will outperform Keuchel, I'll take your money

I wouldn’t bet that Smyly will be better than Keuchel or good or anything, but I don’t think Keuchel will be good or worth what he signed for. At least the Phillies aren’t capped out by seeing if Smyly can put together a decent or serviceable start or two.

I think Keuchel is being paid little when you consider it's a one year deal. Maybe he didn't want to come to philly, I don't know, but I think he will earn his paycheck (by today's standards). And I think he could be quite good once he is at full strength, not great, but at least an order of magnitude better than smyly.

The prorated deal that Keuchel signed would have counted ~$14 against the tax threshold which was what the Phillies had available. So that would have been the only move unless they dump salary.

Monkeyboy wrote:

The B1G Piece wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:What a joke. With all the pitchers who were available in the offseason on one year deals, and the few that have been signed or traded for during the season, we end up with the guy with an ERA over 8. And he's plugged right into the rotation, of course, just so he can show everyone how much he sucks.

With all the options that were available over the last 9 months, this should piss people off. He's clearly not back from the injury, if he ever will be. I don't know what they think will happen. If he pitches well, it's just dumb luck. This is like signing delmon young and thinking he will finally put it together.

Dallas Keuchel has a 5.23 FIP and K-Rate 1 per inning lower than Jake Arrieta.

In a handful of starts. If you want to make a wager that Smyly will outperform Keuchel, I'll take your money

No wager, I'm just pointing out, as JFLNYC said, the offseason SP market was weak and a one-year guy like Keuchel wasn't going to move the needle for this team. I'm more pissed we haven't developed a starter to compliment Nola and a lot of our young guys have taken a step backwards.

The B1G Piece wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

The B1G Piece wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:What a joke. With all the pitchers who were available in the offseason on one year deals, and the few that have been signed or traded for during the season, we end up with the guy with an ERA over 8. And he's plugged right into the rotation, of course, just so he can show everyone how much he sucks.

With all the options that were available over the last 9 months, this should piss people off. He's clearly not back from the injury, if he ever will be. I don't know what they think will happen. If he pitches well, it's just dumb luck. This is like signing delmon young and thinking he will finally put it together.

Dallas Keuchel has a 5.23 FIP and K-Rate 1 per inning lower than Jake Arrieta.

In a handful of starts. If you want to make a wager that Smyly will outperform Keuchel, I'll take your money

No wager, I'm just pointing out, as JFLNYC said, the offseason SP market was weak and a one-year guy like Keuchel wasn't going to move the needle for this team. I'm more pissed we haven't developed a starter to compliment Nola and a lot of our young guys have taken a step backwards.

well, I'm right with you in terms of frustration with player development. It's much more worrying than this one decision by Klentak