Trout was 27 and Pujols was 23.

stevelxa476 wrote:Trout was 27 and Pujols was 23.

How did I read right through them?

To be fair, the list isn't arranged in an easy way just to search for names...

His writing is excellent in this series. I like the Ichiro piece very much (#100). I don't think I ever appreciated him as much as I should have when he was playing.

Schmidt write up was kind of meh

phillychuck wrote:

stevelxa476 wrote:Trout was 27 and Pujols was 23.

How did I read right through them?

To be fair, the list isn't arranged in an easy way just to search for names...

Hi writing is excellent in this series. I like the Ichiro piece very much (#100). I don't think I ever appreciated him as much as I should have when he was playing.

I have to be honest, reading this daily is a chore. Sometimes there are just too many words. Maybe it is justification. Should he should tl;dr each segment, but that might be awesome; subjective; opinion; argue amongst yourselves.

Then don't read it? I think they've generally been well worth the effort. Some better than others. But length hasn't been an issue to me.

I can't wait to read every one of these articles (I've gotten way behind and am skipping around). But I seriously disagree with the above comment that they are too long. I really enjoy the length of each of them, and I enjoy the new things I learn and the depth of many of the anecdotes.

And I completely disagree about the Schmidt article. It's great, and I learned a couple things I didn't know before. It's one flaw is it doesn't have a great conclusion, but it is really interesting, especially about his high school and college background.

It's not that the MJS one was bad, but not among my favorites

Crazy he was that bad in high school and very funny/fitting that half of article was about philly fans booing him. Such a weird place.

I don’t read all of them but enjoy the ones I do and also just generally knowing that if I want to read 3000 well written words on Mel Ott one day that there is a place for that.

I'm biased but 20 is low (or high depending on how you look at it) for Michael Jack

Uncle Milty wrote:I'm biased but 20 is low (or high depending on how you look at it) for Michael Jack

He has been putting some of the players with their number or some number that they are known for. Schmidt and Frank Robinson at 20, Rickey at 24, Trout at 27, Jackie at 42, DiMaggio at 56, etc.

Ahh okay.

I guess that means 1 will be #1. Congrats, 1!

Where I agree that Schmidt belongs closer to #1, it all comes down to splitting hairs at this point. How do you reasonably rack and stack some of these players?

No. 100: Ichiro Suzuki
No. 99: Mike Mussina
No. 98: Carlos Beltrán
No. 97: Roberto Alomar
No. 96: Larry Walker
No. 95: Tony Gwynn
No. 94: Roy Campanella
No. 93: Ozzie Smith
No. 92: Bullet Rogan
No. 91: Mariano Rivera
No. 90: Max Scherzer
No. 89: Mike Piazza
No. 88: Curt Schilling
No. 87: Charlie Gehringer
No. 86: Gary Carter
No. 85: Sadaharu Oh
No. 84: Cool Papa Bell
No. 83: Phil Niekro
No. 82: Kid Nichols
No. 81: Ferguson Jenkins
No. 80: Carlton Fisk
No. 79: Derek Jeter
No. 78: Clayton Kershaw
No. 77: Miguel Cabrera
No. 76: Willie McCovey
No. 75: Justin Verlander
No. 74: Frank Thomas
No. 73: Brooks Robinson
No. 72: Robin Roberts
No. 71: Bert Blyleven
No. 70: Sandy Koufax
No. 69: Monte Irvin
No. 68: Gaylord Perry
No. 67: Hank Greenberg
No. 66: Robin Yount
No. 65: Ernie Banks
No. 64: Johnny Mize
No. 63: Steve Carlton
No. 62: Smokey Joe Williams
No. 61: Arky Vaughan
No. 60: Pete Rose
No. 59: Reggie Jackson
No. 58: Jeff Bagwell
No. 57: Rod Carew
No. 56: Joe DiMaggio
No. 55: Bob Feller
No. 54: Chipper Jones
No. 53: Buck Leonard
No. 52: Adrián Beltré
No. 51: Al Kaline
No. 50: Nolan Ryan
No. 49: Warren Spahn
No. 48: Ken Griffey Jr.
No. 47: Wade Boggs
No. 46: Eddie Mathews
No. 45: Bob Gibson
No. 44: Cal Ripken Jr.
No. 43: Yogi Berra
No. 42: Jackie Robinson
No. 41: Tom Seaver
No. 40: Roberto Clemente
No. 39: Nap Lajoie
No. 38: Carl Yastrzemski
No. 37: Pedro Martínez
No. 36: Christy Mathewson
No. 35: George Brett
No. 34: Cy Young
No. 33: Jimmie Foxx
No. 32: Mel Ott
No. 31: Greg Maddux
No. 30: Johnny Bench
No. 29: Eddie Collins
No. 28: Randy Johnson
No. 27: Mike Trout
No. 26: Grover Cleveland Alexander
No. 25: Pop Lloyd
No. 24: Rickey Henderson
No. 23: Albert Pujols
No. 22: Lefty Grove
No. 21: Joe Morgan
No. 20: Frank Robinson
No. 20 (tie): Mike Schmidt
No. 18: Tris Speaker

Look up that list and think about where the guy with the award for best pitcher in each league belong? 34? Seems it should be closer to the top.

Tris Speaker career is probable tarnished because of his association with the clan. The write up today notes that he holds the OF assist record at 450 (and notes that May's is less then half and because he played so shallow there are an absurd number of thrown out at first), the doubles record (792) and lead OPB in the deadball era and after it was over. He was the first player to hit 50 doubles and steal 50 bases. It is great to be reminded of some of these things, but hard to peg where guys go on this, or any, list.

No doubt Ruth will be #1. Ty Cobb, Walter Johnson, (@36) C̶h̶r̶i̶s̶t̶y̶ ̶M̶a̶t̶h̶e̶w̶s̶o̶n̶, and Honus Wagner will hold top slots as the original ̶5̶ remaining 4 HOF entrants. So 14 here are some names unaccounted for: Satchel Paige (there is a cryptic warning that he is ranked exactly where he belongs), Josh Gibson, Ted Williams, Barry Bonds (PEDs a problem?), Hank Aaron, and Willie Mays. So that is 10 that I think have to be in the reaming 17.

Who else snags a spot in those 7? Randy Johnson (wild ass guess for a modern guy)? Sandy Koufax? Shoeless Joe Jackson? Ken Griffy Jr (seem like he should already have made the list)? Lou Gehrig? Micky Mantle? Rogers Hornsby? Stan Musial? Any hated Brave's pitchers? Things a re getting tight.

Griffey and Maddux already got listed

Someone did a guess in one of the other threads (too many baseball threads?) about the remaining names that’s looking pretty good from what I remember.

Koufax is 70, Johnson is 28.

Mantle has to be somewhere soon. Bonds steroids or not, Clemens, steroids or not, Mays, Williams, Ruth, Gehrig, Wagner, Paige, A-rod, Aaron, Nap Lajoie, Musial, Jeter, Bob and Josh Gibson...I'm missing a few.

MoBettle wrote:Someone did a guess in one of the other threads (too many baseball threads?) about the remaining names that’s looking pretty good from what I remember.

It was me. Here is the list I had, in no order for the final 27:

Ruth
Gehrig
Cobb
Mantle
Ted Williams
Trout
Arod
Mays
Clemens
Bonds
Walter Johnson
Josh Gibson
Satchell
Honus
Aaron
Schmidt
Speaker
Musial
Hornsby
Ricky
GC Alexander
Joe Morgan
Pujols
Cap Anson
Ed Delahanty
Frank Robinson
Oscar Charleston

There are two I missed on so far, Pop Lloyd and Lefty Grove. My guess is that he isn't including pre-1900 players so those two would replace Anson and Delahanty.

phillychuck wrote:Koufax is 70, Johnson is 28.

Mantle has to be somewhere soon. Bonds steroids or not, Clemens, steroids or not, Mays, Williams, Ruth, Gehrig, Wanger, Paige, A-rod, Aaron, Nap Lajoie, Musial, Jeter, Bob and Josh Gibson...I'm missing a few.

A-rod > Jeter (79)? More importantly A-Rod > Michael Jack Schmidt? I think A-Rod must be outside the hot 100 mostly because I do not see him in the top 20.

If Hornsby isn't top 10 just throw the whole list out.

Cap Anson is an interesting pull. I think Ed Delahanty remains outside looking in. I always forget Oscar Charleston.

Separately, since this list is about players, you could see Branch Rickey, Rube Foster, and Cornelius McGillicuddy (Connie Mack) making a list of most important figures in baseball. There could be a lot of controversial names on that list.