both teams

philliesphhan wrote:Sure, but who played 70+ games there

So only the other team could take advantage and not be handicapped by the dimensions?

They're not handicapped but when your pitchers pitch in that place in 50% of the time, you're not going to win very many games

philliesphhan wrote:They're not handicapped but when your pitchers pitch in that place in 50% of the time, you're not going to win very many games

And the opponents pitchers? Being the home team wouldn't they be more familiar with the quirks and take advantage?

There is a series on TheAthletic marching toward spring training that is highlighting "the" 100 greatest baseball players of all time. Today's was about Joe Rogan, elected to the HoF in 1998, but started his career sometime in the 1910's. That is significantly before the Negro Leagues. He was a two way threat, and held a .704 win percentage winning 119 while losing 50. Only Spud Chandler (109W/43L) had a better winning percentage at .717 in the MLB record books. No less then Satchel Paige held him in the highest regard.

He also eeked out life time .338 average while slugging .515.

thephan wrote:There is a series on TheAthletic marching toward spring training that is highlighting "the" 100 greatest baseball players of all time. Today's was about Joe Rogan, elected to the HoF in 1998, but started his career sometime in the 1910's. That is significantly before the Negro Leagues. He was a two way threat, and held a .704 win percentage winning 119 while losing 50. Only Spud Chandler (109W/43L) had a better winning percentage at .717 in the MLB record books. No less then Satchel Paige held him in the highest regard.

He also eeked out life time .338 average while slugging .515.

i like his podcasts

Bucky wrote:

thephan wrote:There is a series on TheAthletic marching toward spring training that is highlighting "the" 100 greatest baseball players of all time. Today's was about Joe Rogan, elected to the HoF in 1998, but started his career sometime in the 1910's. That is significantly before the Negro Leagues. He was a two way threat, and held a .704 win percentage winning 119 while losing 50. Only Spud Chandler (109W/43L) had a better winning percentage at .717 in the MLB record books. No less then Satchel Paige held him in the highest regard.

He also eeked out life time .338 average while slugging .515.

i like his podcasts

His standup is pretty great too

Today is Carlton's day on The Athletic's top 100 all time players. He is ranked as 63. Without knowing the full list I can already envision the comments of him being at 63 as too high on the list, and clearly should be ranked inside the top 50.

My first reaction was that his ranking should be lower because I am a fan. I was expecting him to be top 30, but there are so many great players left.

Where will Schmidt end up? As the best third baseman in history I have to think top 25, but that is a crowded place at the top of the list.

*phan

thephan wrote:Today is Carlton's day on the 100. He is ranked as 63. Without knowing the full list I can already envision the comments of him being at 63 as too high on the list, and clearly inside the top 50. My first reaction was that his ranking should be lower because I am a fan.

There were a few, but most of them were ripping on Bill Conlin for being shitty at this job, and in life.

In some rough order the top slots will be some sort of mix of these names (TBF, I am not sure how many names I've listed):

Babe Ruth - Man, myth, legend, myth, etc.

Ty Cobb - mean racist psycho

Ted Williams - majestic, just *ask him

Lou Gehrig - What could I possibly say with out a echo

Mickey Mantle - A little more prudence he could have best Ruth

Willie Mays - The Say Hey Kids sharing NYC with the Mick

Walter Johnson - The Big Train sometime listed as a manager which makes no sens since he played 21 years for the senators, and only managed 7 (DC/Cleveland)

Honus Wagner - Tobacco free and ruled Pittsburgh like a king

Cy Young - Cy Young with that award named for him

Stan Musial - The original "The Man"

Rogers Hornsby - Could he be underrated and still fighting for a top 10 slot?

Christy Mathewson - Another man who is not as appreciated as he could be

Jimmie Foxx - A Philly fixture since 1927, Mack needed to sell Foxx's contract to the Red Sox for $150K in 1936 to make payroll

Joe DiMaggio - The first great to cross over as a pitch man leading the wau for generation. Hell of a player too

Lefty Grove - How did it take this long to type in his name?

Warren Spahn - If you are good enough that the sport page is graced with a poem shortened to "Spahn and Sain and Pray for Rain", you have to be great

Jackie Robinson - His excellent game play eclipse by his monumental place in history

Tris Speaker

Grover Cleveland Alexander

Yogi Berra

Bob Feller

Sandy Koufax

Johnny Bench

Nap Lajoie - Philadelphia Phillies and Athletics great from 1896 - 1902, followed by 12 years of exile to Cleveland to finish with the A's. He played in the prehistory of baseball playing his first 7 years before there was a world series.

Mike Schmidt - I have to throw him in the mix so none of you put a hit on me, but I am not sure he can crack top 25 with the competition.

What about Negro League players who are not well understood?

Josh Gibson
Satchel Paige
Rube Foster
Cool Papa Bell

How about black balled players since we are talking greatest?

Pete Rose
Joe Jackson

thephan wrote:Today is Carlton's day on The Athletic's top 100 all time players. He is ranked as 63. Without knowing the full list I can already envision the comments of him being at 63 as too high on the list, and clearly should be ranked inside the top 50.

My first reaction was that his ranking should be lower because I am a fan. I was expecting him to be top 30, but there are so many great players left.

Where will Schmidt end up? As the best third baseman in history I have to think top 25, but that is a crowded place at the top of the list.

Wait, are you one of those people who considers a rank of 63 to be HIGHER than a rank of 30? As in, people who call the #1 seeds in a tournament the "lowest" seeds? Or perhaps I'm just reading it wrong...

thephan wrote:In some rough order the top slots will be some sort of mix of these names (TBF, I am not sure how many names I've listed):

Babe Ruth - Man, myth, legend, myth, etc.

Ty Cobb - mean racist psycho

Ted Williams - majestic, just *ask him

Lou Gehrig - What could I possibly say with out a echo

Mickey Mantle - A little more prudence he could have best Ruth

Willie Mays - The Say Hey Kids sharing NYC with the Mick

Walter Johnson - The Big Train sometime listed as a manager which makes no sens since he played 21 years for the senators, and only managed 7 (DC/Cleveland)

Honus Wagner - Tobacco free and ruled Pittsburgh like a king

Cy Young - Cy Young with that award named for him

Stan Musial - The original "The Man"

Rogers Hornsby - Could he be underrated and still fighting for a top 10 slot?

Christy Mathewson - Another man who is not as appreciated as he could be

Jimmie Foxx - A Philly fixture since 1927, Mack needed to sell Foxx's contract to the Red Sox for $150K in 1936 to make payroll

Joe DiMaggio - The first great to cross over as a pitch man leading the wau for generation. Hell of a player too

Lefty Grove - How did it take this long to type in his name?

Warren Spahn - If you are good enough that the sport page is graced with a poem shortened to "Spahn and Sain and Pray for Rain", you have to be great

Jackie Robinson - His excellent game play eclipse by his monumental place in history

Tris Speaker

Grover Cleveland Alexander

Yogi Berra

Bob Feller

Sandy Koufax

Johnny Bench

Nap Lajoie - Philadelphia Phillies and Athletics great from 1896 - 1902, followed by 12 years of exile to Cleveland to finish with the A's. He played in the prehistory of baseball playing his first 7 years before there was a world series.

Mike Schmidt - I have to throw him in the mix so none of you put a hit on me, but I am not sure he can crack top 25 with the competition.

What about Negro League players who are not well understood?

Josh Gibson
Satchel Paige
Rube Foster
Cool Papa Bell

How about black balled players since we are talking greatest?

Pete Rose
Joe Jackson

Well, he has Cool Papa Bell #84, Rogan #92, and Smokey Joe Williams #62 so far

Stripes wrote:

thephan wrote:Today is Carlton's day on The Athletic's top 100 all time players. He is ranked as 63. Without knowing the full list I can already envision the comments of him being at 63 as too high on the list, and clearly should be ranked inside the top 50.

My first reaction was that his ranking should be lower because I am a fan. I was expecting him to be top 30, but there are so many great players left.

Where will Schmidt end up? As the best third baseman in history I have to think top 25, but that is a crowded place at the top of the list.

Wait, are you one of those people who considers a rank of 63 to be HIGHER than a rank of 30? As in, people who call the #1 seeds in a tournament the "lowest" seeds? Or perhaps I'm just reading it wrong...

Poorly written, expected him to be closer to the top of the list.

Rose gets his nod at 60. I am pretty OK with that. Keep him out of the top half based on his intractable situation with baseball and the HoF seems like a compromise solution.

Where are these rankings from?

Michael Jack belongs in the top 20 on any list.

Uncle Milty wrote:Where are these rankings from?

Michael Jack belongs in the top 20 on any list.

Shocker is that MJS is not #20 on the list. Things get sketchy at the top of the lists and where I have him as the greatest third baseman ever and deserves a to be at the top, but it all becomes relative. The author has gone to uniform numbers for some of these player and 20 is ... Frank Robinson.

Schmidt is today, a tie for 20.

Where does Mike Trout belong on this list? Pujols? How do you project the future of a great active player? And how do you deal with Bonds who is top 5 based on performance? (And Clemens, and others in the steroid controversy).

He has Verlander and Miggy Cabrerra on his list, so I expect Trout will find a place. Maybe it's just stat geeks like me who respect him this much, though--hard to get noticed playing for the Angels.