Apparently more than the usual.

It was donated to charity, so I would hope it'd be a bit more than a buck.

If not Dusty Wathan specifically, look for our next manager to be fit the league prototype, 40 ish ex ML catcher who was a kinda sucky backup

Is it OK if they stink like feet???


Dallas Green is the only ex-ML pitcher turned manager I can think of off the top of my head. Are there others???

(not misreading what you wrote, it just got me thinking of the prototype manager and that pitchers ain't it)

Bucky wrote:Is it OK if they stink like feet???


Dallas Green is the only ex-ML pitcher turned manager I can think of off the top of my head. Are there others???

(not misreading what you wrote, it just got me thinking of the prototype manager and that pitchers ain't it)

Bud Black?

good one, there's 2

lasorda had 26 ml appearances over 3 seasons, guess you gotta count that

You guys have forgotten Christy Mathewson so soon?

John Farrell

iladelph53 wrote:

Titlehungry wrote:Next spring ought to be interesting I guess...

C- Knapp, Alfaro, or veteran... 2 of the 3... trade Rupp
1b- Hoskins or Joseph... trade the other
2b- Kingery
SS- Crawford... trade Galvis
3b- Franco or Hernandez... trade the other
OF- Altherr, Quinn, Williams, Pullin, Cozens... or vets... pick who you want... I'd trade Odubel
P- Nola, Pivetta (in pencil), Eickhoff (Does he return from DL like last year), Velasquez (Or to bullpen), Lively (4th or 5th starter), Eflin, Eshelman, vets from trade or FA... lots of work to do here
RP- Ugh... rebuild

Manager- Someone new

Which CFs have a better UZR, UZR/150, or fangraphs defensive rating than odubel? I'll wait

I really like Odubal. He has been stroking a bunch of doubles lately. He should change his first name to ObDOUBLE. He gets on base via error due to great takeoff and nice speed. Plus, he's an airhead and a flake. He's very toolsy. I like him.

Re: Odubel being an OBP machine for two months last year then suddenly not...

I seem to recall last year that Mackanin whined about Odubel being more interested in walking than swinging the bat or some equally vacuous bullshit.

I can't believe I ever stuck up for Mackanin.

I still say if you could somehow get Lenny Dykstra's hitting brain into an otherwise rational and responsible human being, he is who I would want as my hitting coach. By far the best sense of what a plate appearance is for of any player I've ever seen, and not just in how he did it, but how he would explain it if you asked him. I'd have thought Stairs would have gotten through, but it doesn't seem to be working.

I'd think seriously about hiring Abreu if I ran the team for the position of hitting coach. I don't know if he can explain it as clearly as Lenny, but he did it as well as Lenny, most of the time.

Hire Abreu, set WIP off. Two birds, one stone.

One of the lessons I've learned in life is that you can understand something thoroughly and articulate it clearly but sometimes the other person just doesn't get it.

mozartpc27 wrote:Re: Odubel being an OBP machine for two months last year then suddenly not...

I seem to recall last year that Mackanin whined about Odubel being more interested in walking than swinging the bat or some equally vacuous #$!&@.

I can't believe I ever stuck up for Mackanin.

I still say if you could somehow get Lenny Dykstra's hitting brain into an otherwise rational and responsible human being, he is who I would want as my hitting coach. By far the best sense of what a plate appearance is for of any player I've ever seen, and not just in how he did it, but how he would explain it if you asked him. I'd have thought Stairs would have gotten through, but it doesn't seem to be working.

I'd think seriously about hiring Abreu if I ran the team for the position of hitting coach. I don't know if he can explain it as clearly as Lenny, but he did it as well as Lenny, most of the time.

Hire Abreu, set WIP off. Two birds, one stone.

I'm pretty sure that Mackanin has the same hitting philosophy as Manuel - the only reason the work a count is to have a better chance of hitting a ball

JFLNYC wrote:One of the lessons I've learned in life is that you can understand something thoroughly and articulate it clearly but sometimes the other person just doesn't get it.

I clicked the like button but there wasn't one

Mackanin said that even though Odubel was getting a lot of walks he was a "free swinger". So he was indicating that his high OBP was a mirage that wouldn't hold up which turned out to be right.

"It's hard to figure a guy who's what I consider a free swinger has shown a lot of good plate discipline," Mackanin said. "I love to see him when he draws a walk, he claps his hands and he's happy to draw a walk, which gives you a good indication of what he's all about. He's a winning player, he wants to get on base and when he does that, whether he gets on on an error or a walk, he applauds it. I'd like to have nine guys like that."

Bucky wrote:Dallas Green is the only ex-ML pitcher turned manager I can think of off the top of my head. Are there others???

(not misreading what you wrote, it just got me thinking of the prototype manager and that pitchers ain't it)

FWIW, there is an article from a few years back that has the premise that pitchers are generally not regarded as great managers, which is a little funny to me as those guys spend all kinds of time sitting around watching the game, so they should be more clued in then that. The number in that article said there were only 48 managers who were pitchers.

JFLNYC wrote:One of the lessons I've learned in life is that you can understand something thoroughly and articulate it clearly but sometimes the other person just doesn't get it.

This is so true.

- Freddy goes off, gets a team fine, then they win.
- Odubel seems to live on his own planet
- Rupp could be a Cub given their action the other day
- I am not sure that 2018 is the year for JPC and Kingery, JPC needs to get his game together as Freddy has played solid defense and had offensive sparks without any star power, so it is not even a push at the moment
- What to do in the OF? I think the team has to try Cozens even though they seem convinced that he is going to implode
- Pass the popcorn for the 1st base log jam. I think they feel the same way about Hoskins (some kind of draft bias?)
- Pitching, ugh.

thephan wrote:- I am not sure that 2018 is the year for JPC and Kingery, JPC needs to get his game together as Freddy has played solid defense and had offensive sparks without any star power, so it is not even a push at the moment

JMO, but my hope is that Freddy keeps the SS job until someone's performance knocks him off of it. Draft history shouldn't be part of the equation in that decision.

JFLNYC wrote:One of the lessons I've learned in life is that you can understand something thoroughly and articulate it clearly but sometimes the other person just doesn't get it.

? What are you trying to say here??