Super Bowl MVP QB Nick Foles

by **Eem** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:46:03

He's OK. Gonna play for a long time in the NFL, but I'd put my money on more time as a backup than as a starter. He's in his third year and probably can get better. But now, he's holding back a Super Bowl contender.

by **jamiethekiller** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:52:53

ek wrote:they aren't a SB contender because they don't have a good enough secondary.

secondary is more than good enough to win a championship with if you're scoring points. airzona scored 24 and 7 of those was on an illegal play(pick)

by **JUburton** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:53:33

they aren't a super bowl contender because denver

by **td11** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:54:01

ek wrote:they aren't a SB contender because they don't have a good enough secondary.

anyone can win a superbowl with a great QB play. nothing else matters

by **momadance** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:54:36

JUburton wrote:they aren't a super bowl contender because denver

Worked out well for Denver last year.

by **Eem** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:55:24

ek wrote:they aren't a SB contender because they don't have a good enough secondary.

This, frankly, is BS.

They blew coverage on Brown but had been good for most of the game. Floyd didn't catch a pass, outside of Fitz's long TD on a perfectly executed pick play he was held in reasonable check. They're not great, but they're more than good enough to win if the offense doesn't blow in the red zone.

by **Napalm** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:56:56

if foles plays average, they win that game.

by **heyeaglefn** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:58:50

momadance wrote:
JUburton wrote:they aren't a super bowl contender because denver

Worked out well for Denver last year.

Sure did, they were a SB contender for sure.

by **Phred** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:59:29

td11 wrote:
ek wrote:they aren't a SB contender because they don't have a good enough secondary.

anyone can win a superbowl with a great QB play. nothing else matters

Bears and Ravens are 2 teams that come to mind as having won without great QBs.

by **momadance** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:00:06

So who's the QB next year?

by **WheelsFellOff** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:00:43

Eem wrote:
ek wrote:they aren't a SB contender because they don't have a good enough secondary.

This, frankly, is BS.

They blew coverage on Brown but had been good for most of the game. Floyd didn't catch a pass, outside of Fitz's long TD on a perfectly executed pick play he was held in reasonable check. They're not great, but they're more than good enough to win if the offense doesn't blow in the red zone.

Definitely. They left at least 14 points on the field. The Huff fumble I can overlook for now, lots of rookie WR's have issues securing the ball. The Cromartie INT was inexcusable though and 100% on Foles.

by **Eem** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:01:21

momadance wrote:So who's the QB next year?

td11 wrote:young gunna by the name of p. rivers

by **td11** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:01:51

Phred wrote:
td11 wrote:
ek wrote:they aren't a SB contender because they don't have a good enough secondary.

anyone can win a superbowl with a great QB play. nothing else matters

Bears and Ravens are 2 teams that come to mind as having won without great QBs.

you mean the 1986 bears? or did rex grossman win one while i was blacked out for a whole year?

and joe flacco played out of his mind that playoffs, which is exactly what i mean. i said great QB play, not great QB. eli has done it twice by getting white hot for the stretch run. that's all you need

by **td11** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:02:19

WheelsFellOff wrote:
Eem wrote:
ek wrote:they aren't a SB contender because they don't have a good enough secondary.

This, frankly, is BS.

They blew coverage on Brown but had been good for most of the game. Floyd didn't catch a pass, outside of Fitz's long TD on a perfectly executed pick play he was held in reasonable check. They're not great, but they're more than good enough to win if the offense doesn't blow in the red zone.

Definitely. They left at least 14 points on the field. The Huff fumble I can overlook for now, lots of rookie WR's have issues securing the ball. The Cromartie INT was inexcusable though and 100% on Foles.

both INTs were horrendous

by **momadance** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:04:20

td11 wrote:and joe flacco played out of his mind that playoffs, which is exactly what i mean. i said great QB play, not great QB. eli has done it twice by getting white hot for the stretch run. that's all you need

prolly meant dilfer

by **td11** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:04:47

momadance wrote:
td11 wrote:and joe flacco played out of his mind that playoffs, which is exactly what i mean. i said great QB play, not great QB. eli has done it twice by getting white hot for the stretch run. that's all you need

prolly meant dilfer

phred knows football

by **Eem** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:06:56

Here's the thing that's soured me on Foles. You can live with INTs and even inaccurate throws. Young QBs make them ALL the time, and it isn't necessarily fair to expect Foles to live up to what he did last year. Those things are mechanical -- on both picks, he made the right read, just bad throws. They're backbreakers, but at least you know he made the right throw.

But all of a sudden, he is cowering in the face of pressure. I don't know if that's something I've ever seen a QB recover from. He overreacts to teams just showing blitz. Bowles knew it -- look at that play to end the game last night. Bowles knew Foles was going to back up as soon as the ball was snapped, and he'd have to make an extremely low-percentage throw to win the game. How many throws did he make yesterday that had just no chance at all of being completed?

by **jamiethekiller** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:09:36

you could see the receivers getting upset at how bad his throws were. nearly anything towards the sidelines was unreachable for a WR. lotta hand gesturing

by **td11** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:10:53

jamiethekiller wrote:you could see the receivers getting upset at how bad his throws were. nearly anything towards the sidelines was unreachable for a WR. lotta hand gesturing

he throws at least 5 uncatchable sideline balls a game.

and that last play where he had 2 guys in the corner against one defender.... and still put the ball in a horrible location (because he was backpedaling for his life, but whatever)

by **Napalm** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:14:52

i loved his 2nd half adjustment where he stopped dropping back after the snap and instead set his feet immediately. made no difference.

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