TenuredVulture wrote:I think there's also the mentality surrounding draft picks among fans--they don't seem to understand that in most cases, the #1 qb in any draft class, a guy who will be gone before the 5th pick is around a 50-50 proposition, and they're not likely to get the next Drew Brees. Foles by contrast has a ceiling of Superbowl MVP and a floor of above average NFL starter.

If I were an NFL GM, I'd spend a lot of time trading draft picks for NFL players instead of trying to figure out which 20 yo might be able to contribute.

heyeaglefn wrote:How many QB's though say in the last 20 years have won a SB for a team that didn't draft them? Manning, Brees, Brad Johnson?

mcare89 wrote:

heyeaglefn wrote:How many QB's though say in the last 20 years have won a SB for a team that didn't draft them? Manning, Brees, Brad Johnson?

That's kind of a flawed stat though. Good QB's don't become available through free agency or trades often. When teams find a good QB, they hold onto them for as long as possible. They pay them top dollar so they never leave, even if they aren't necessarily worth top dollar, because they're hard to replace. That's why every decent QB who signs a contract now becomes the highest-paid player ever.

How often do teams have two good QB's at a time, or choose to let their starting QB walk in free agency. It's a rarity, which is why that stat exists.

phillychuck wrote:I honestly think Foles is a prototypical, excellent pro pocket QB with great years in front of him. He's not mobile, but neither were Manning and Brady. He's clever and elusive in the pocket, throws a really catchable ball, and is, most importantly in the pro game, accurate and smart. I disagree with Napalm--if he's given a decent team (say Minnesota), I think he has zero chance of flaming out, and a good chance of keeping the Eagles out of the Super Bowl by beating them in the NFC champ game, possibly repeatedly.

If I'm Howie, I'd much rather trade him to the AFC because I think he's that good.

I think I'd have to be pretty confident in Wentz's recovery to trade him, but if a team backs up the truck full of draft picks you have to think. about it, especially since rumors are the Eagles are also high on Sudfeld.

heyeaglefn wrote:How many QB's though say in the last 20 years have won a SB for a team that didn't draft them? Manning, Brees, Brad Johnson? Forgot Dilfer too.

Everyone is looking for their Big Ben, Brady, Manning.

Napalm wrote:

phillychuck wrote:I honestly think Foles is a prototypical, excellent pro pocket QB with great years in front of him. He's not mobile, but neither were Manning and Brady. He's clever and elusive in the pocket, throws a really catchable ball, and is, most importantly in the pro game, accurate and smart. I disagree with Napalm--if he's given a decent team (say Minnesota), I think he has zero chance of flaming out, and a good chance of keeping the Eagles out of the Super Bowl by beating them in the NFC champ game, possibly repeatedly.

If I'm Howie, I'd much rather trade him to the AFC because I think he's that good.

I think I'd have to be pretty confident in Wentz's recovery to trade him, but if a team backs up the truck full of draft picks you have to think. about it, especially since rumors are the Eagles are also high on Sudfeld.

my god, could you imagine

Gimpy wrote:How often do Super Bowl MVP quarterbacks win it on their fourth stop as a pro, which also happens to be with the team that drafted them?

Gimpy wrote:How often do Super Bowl MVP quarterbacks win it on their fourth stop as a pro, which also happens to be with the team that drafted them?

phillychuck wrote:

heyeaglefn wrote:How many QB's though say in the last 20 years have won a SB for a team that didn't draft them? Manning, Brees, Brad Johnson? Forgot Dilfer too.

Everyone is looking for their Big Ben, Brady, Manning.

Favre?

Napalm wrote:lots of years going by on this page. somewhere the PTK bag signal just rose

Woody wrote:

Napalm wrote:lots of years going by on this page. somewhere the PTK bag signal just rose

really need some multivariate* analysis of every player ever to play on the eagles roster compared to their draft position and relative contribution


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