JFLNYC wrote:It took half a century to find a QB to lead the Eagles to a Super Bowl win. Nobody here would dream of trading Wentz no matter how good the (realistic) offer because we see him as a franchise QB for the next 10 years, potentially leading the team to multiple Super Bowls. But the chance of Wentz not returning to his pre-injury form is non-zero.

We know Folks can lead the team to a Super Bowl championship. Until I'm certain that Wentz is fully healthy and back to his pre-injury form, I'm not trading the guy who may be able to lead us to additional Super Bowls for the next 5 or 6 years. How incredibly stupid would it be to trade Foles only to find out Wentz is not the pre-injury Wentz and that we've traded Foles meaning we have to go back to square one in the search for a QB capable of leading the team to another championship?

Foles is a free agent after next season. They won't be signing him to big money unless Wentz is absolutely broken.

I know people are still pretty emotional about the whole thing, but the Eagles would be crazy not to trade NF for the highest offer this offseason.

A 1st would be really great, but if a 2nd is the highest offer we get, we have to take it. The more talent we can surround Wentz with for the next 10 years, the better.

I see that argument but doubt a second round pick would offer more marginal value than knowing for sure we're Super Bowl caliber at QB next year, and especially if you can extend Foles through 2019 or even 2020 (when Wentz gets expensive)

But that's all moot if he wants to leave

Grotewold wrote:I see that argument but doubt a second round pick would offer more marginal value than knowing for sure we're Super Bowl caliber at QB next year, and especially if you can extend Foles through 2019 or even 2020 (when Wentz gets expensive)

But that's all moot if he wants to leave

The Foles story is/was magical, but our last 5 second round picks were Kendricks, Ertz, Matthews, Rowe, and Sidney Jones. Seems like a bad percentage-play to pass on that kind of player because you're worried that the exact same, million to one scenario that played out last year is going to play out again next season.

Thankfully, I expect Nick to deflect the PR hit and ask to be a starter somewhere.

If it's a high second maybe you do it, but I dont think Howie the Trade Winner would do that. The measuring stick is the Bradford trade, anything less than that is a nonstarter for Birds I'm guessing.

I'm not sure what Foles is worth, not sure other teams are even sure what he is worth. He may have been on a Joe Flacco playoff type fluke run, or he may be a top 15 QB in the league. If they lose that Falcons game we would be jumping at a 2nd for him. To me he is more likely somewhere between the 15-25th best QB in the league and his value is slightly less to the Eagles since he has 1 year left on his deal.

What he did was magical but unless they are truly concerned that Wentz won't recover from what is a pretty typical injury in sports then I would take best offer if teams are making strong offers.

How many teams are a Foles away from the playoffs? That is, how many teams have the ingredients in place to win 11 or so games if they only had a good QB? Those are the teams that should be trying to get Foles. There is sometimes the problem of the 8-8 type team that isn't bad enough to get the high draft pick necessary to get a top QB prospect but doesn't have a great QB of its own. Those teams should be willing to part with their 1st and 2nd round pick for Foles. This of course hinges on the idea that the team taking Foles would be able to sign him long term--one year of Foles isn't really all that valuable.

Look, there is no guarantee here--Foles's success might be a one off. But I think if you're 8-8, and you are lacking at the QB position, Foles is your best chance of taking the team to the next level. Because otherwise, you might find yourself tempted to draft that big doof from Wyoming or where ever, thinking you'll get the get the next Wentz.

WhiteyFan wrote:

Grotewold wrote:I see that argument but doubt a second round pick would offer more marginal value than knowing for sure we're Super Bowl caliber at QB next year, and especially if you can extend Foles through 2019 or even 2020 (when Wentz gets expensive)

But that's all moot if he wants to leave

The Foles story is/was magical, but our last 5 second round picks were Kendricks, Ertz, Matthews, Rowe, and Sidney Jones. Seems like a bad percentage-play to pass on that kind of player because you're worried that the exact same, million to one scenario that played out last year is going to play out again next season.

Thankfully, I expect Nick to deflect the PR hit and ask to be a starter somewhere.

Only one of those picks you cited is a stud at this point, and Jones was a unique case because of the injury.

Wentz getting hurt again in week 13 and Foles playing like Joe Montana for two and a half playoff games is unlikely, yes. But what if Wentz misses the first two or three games? What if we're 7-4 and he's out for four weeks? What if he misses half of a playoff game?

The Eagles could win another Super Bowl in 2018 -- short of a really lucrative offer, let's keep our league-best QB situation.

Grotewold wrote:

WhiteyFan wrote:

Grotewold wrote:I see that argument but doubt a second round pick would offer more marginal value than knowing for sure we're Super Bowl caliber at QB next year, and especially if you can extend Foles through 2019 or even 2020 (when Wentz gets expensive)

But that's all moot if he wants to leave

The Foles story is/was magical, but our last 5 second round picks were Kendricks, Ertz, Matthews, Rowe, and Sidney Jones. Seems like a bad percentage-play to pass on that kind of player because you're worried that the exact same, million to one scenario that played out last year is going to play out again next season.

Thankfully, I expect Nick to deflect the PR hit and ask to be a starter somewhere.

Only one of those picks you cited is a stud at this point, and Jones was a unique case because of the injury.

Wentz getting hurt again in week 13 and Foles playing like Joe Montana for two and a half playoff games is unlikely, yes. But what if Wentz misses the first two or three games? What if we're 7-4 and he's out for four weeks? What if he misses half of a playoff game?

The Eagles could win another Super Bowl in 2018 -- short of a really lucrative offer, let's keep our league-best QB situation.

Amen

+1

Over in the NFL thread I mention with horror that Cousins is set to get the biggest NFL deal ever. With Kirk Cousins as a measuring stick, Foles value is significantly higher without the need to pay the freight in 2018. If the team decides it is in the best interest to move him, then there is a value discussion to be had with the trade scenario projected through Cousins expected to get between $28-30M per season, and a $130-150M deal overall. $7M to find out in 2018 and the sacrifice of a high pick or two seems like a good bet.

that said, I am not interested I trading him w/o Wentz's health known.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/0 ... -new-song/

“Nick Foles with it — get it?” Snoop Dog said in his new song Doggytails feat. Kokane. “I be the backup, second in line, see when I get in, you ain’t gettin’ no more time. I’m free as a bird.”

The song is part of Snoop Dogg’s eight song EP, which was released earlier this week.

Supposedly the Jets are all in with Cousins on a huge deal. If I were them, I'd get Foles instead. Cousins has won how much? He probably has overall numbers that look better than Foles but Nick has the ring. The same goes for the other teams looking to draft a QB high in the first round. Projects are nice but winners are better.
As we saw in the POs, build a system around Foles and he can really produce. His failure in St. Louis looks like it was not his flop out but Fisher's.

I was listening to wfan yesterday and they were pretty sure that if the Jets offered their 2nd round pick this year and their 2019 2nd that Philly would jump at that offer for Foles.

curveball wrote:I was listening to wfan yesterday and they were pretty sure that if the Jets offered their 2nd round pick this year and their 2019 2nd that Philly would jump at that offer for Foles.

It seems a lot of people think that's a good offer for Foles.

I would take that, the 2019 2nd will probably be top half as usual for them

TenuredVulture wrote:

curveball wrote:I was listening to wfan yesterday and they were pretty sure that if the Jets offered their 2nd round pick this year and their 2019 2nd that Philly would jump at that offer for Foles.

It seems a lot of people think that's a good offer for Foles.

That is a good offer

you should take that offer

<---Team Grote/Ptooey/Jamie

Thing is if we get a good offer and trade Foles we can get another decent backup QB or trust that Sudfeld will become something... pretty sure Doug has shown he can coach up a guy in his system... I wouldn't worry too much about Wentz insurance