JFLNYC wrote:Let’s hope he doesn’t lead the team to another Super Bowl because then we’d have a real mess on our hands.

Lol...yup, as you posted before...only in Philly!

JFLNYC wrote:Let’s hope he doesn’t lead the team to another Super Bowl because then we’d have a real mess on our hands.

^^^^
this

Can't believe we're worried we might make the playoffs but miss the Super Bowl or Foles' success may cause issues down the road. Just win and see where it takes you. If Wentz is what we think he is, none of this should matter. We still have 3 picks in the first two rounds next year as well. After last night, there is no need for tanking.

JFLNYC wrote:Let’s hope he doesn’t lead the team to another Super Bowl because then we’d have a real mess on our hands.

Well obviously if they get to the point where that is a realistic possibility instead of a million-to-one shot, you root for the SB. If they get as far as having to take on the Saints in the second round, well hell you’ve got to root for the win.

But right now even getting that far is a long shot, and the likeliest outcome of such a game isn’t pretty. So would it be best for the long term health of the franchise to get to that game and then have the probable become the actual? I mean I guess it’s not catastrophic - what is picking 18th or something instead of 25th, in the final analysis? - but I am certainly not sure it would be BETTER to get to and lose in the second round versus just ending the season where it was headed before last night, not in terms of the long term health for the franchise.

And if they WIN in New Orleans, I mean, great, but suddenly they are going to have some hard thinking to do.

The Eagles know their future at QB. Enjoy the ride

the team felt more complete last year so I'm not sure if Foles has that much magic in him this year, but it's gonna be a fun story.

more than likely, it could be like 2011 after Vick came back from broken ribs and led them to 4 straight wins to finish the season, but missed out on the playoffs. That was also a year where we clamored for a tanked pick. Fun fact, Vince Young threw for 400 yards against the Pats that season (in a loss)

If Foles leads us to the NFCCG or further, you’d have to listen to Wentz offers. Maybe not take it but you have to listen.

Bo threw out Von Miller and two 1sts. Something like that. You’d have to consider it

The good news is, now that everyone is talking about playoff magic, it won't happen, so we dont have to worry.

Let's just beat Dallas first before we worry about things too far in the future.

PTOITWCFTPP wrote:If Foles leads us to the NFCCG or further, you’d have to listen to Wentz offers. Maybe not take it but you have to listen.

Bo threw out Von Miller and two 1sts. Something like that. You’d have to consider it

Von Miller is too old already to be a centerpiece of a Wentz deal.

I think I would be looking for pure draft picks tbh. If a player maybe Jalen Ramsey from Jacksonville plus their first and third in 2019 and first and second in 2020 is a deal I would propose.

Wolfgang622 wrote:

PTOITWCFTPP wrote:If Foles leads us to the NFCCG or further, you’d have to listen to Wentz offers. Maybe not take it but you have to listen.

Bo threw out Von Miller and two 1sts. Something like that. You’d have to consider it

Von Miller is too old already to be a centerpiece of a Wentz deal.

I think I would be looking for pure draft picks tbh. If a player maybe Jalen Ramsey from Jacksonville plus their first and third in 2019 and first and second in 2020 is a deal I would propose.

Yeah swap in Chubb for Miller.

Wolfgang622 wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:Let’s hope he doesn’t lead the team to another Super Bowl because then we’d have a real mess on our hands.

Well obviously if they get to the point where that is a realistic possibility instead of a million-to-one shot, you root for the SB. If they get as far as having to take on the Saints in the second round, well hell you’ve got to root for the win.

But right now even getting that far is a long shot, and the likeliest outcome of such a game isn’t pretty. So would it be best for the long term health of the franchise to get to that game and then have the probable become the actual? I mean I guess it’s not catastrophic - what is picking 18th or something instead of 25th, in the final analysis? - but I am certainly not sure it would be BETTER to get to and lose in the second round versus just ending the season where it was headed before last night, not in terms of the long term health for the franchise.

And if they WIN in New Orleans, I mean, great, but suddenly they are going to have some hard thinking to do.

The fault is not in our stars, but in ourselves.

I know I've said this before, but assuming the money is there, no professional athlete is going to sign up for a back up position when he could start. Foles has had enough success that any team that needs a QB should be going after him. I can't imagine the amount of extra money the Eagles would have to pay to keep him as a back up once he's a free agent. I suppose he might not want to start for a train wreck franchise like the Bills, but presumably he'll have other options if he's a free agent.

Now, trading Wentz is intriguing. But consider--Wentz was a 2nd overall pick. He's shown he can play QB in the NFL at a high level, though there are concerns about his durability. But really, it seems if Wentz was worth a 2nd overall pick two years ago, he's worth at least that now, or pretty close. If you trade him for much less than a top 5 overall pick, you're admitting drafting him was a mistake in the first place, which is simply incorrect.

Foles is worth a bit less--he's a older, but at his peak, he's been very good. I would put his value at late first/early second round pick, or some combination of the two. A quick team building strategy for a team with a high pick is to use the first round pick on the best available offensive player, and trade a 2nd round pick for Foles. Drafting QBs seems inherently risky, in a way that drafting O-linemen or running backs isn't.

It does seem to me that whether a QB thrives or not depends a great deal on the situation he's placed in. Patrick Mahomes is I think an example here. Foles I think is as well--it took him awhile to find the right situation where he could thrive. (This I guess might be seen as a contradiction--perhaps the right situation really is taking over late in the season--but I doubt Foles thinks that.)

He will be the Giants or Skins starter, maybe Jacksonville.

Gimpy wrote:

Wolfgang622 wrote:

Wolfgang622 wrote:

Warszawa wrote:Trade Wentz

You kid, but...

It would be sort of interesting to find out what you could get for Wentz. As someone already said, Wentz's style of play makes you just a little nervous he could be injury prone... and yet his performance this season makes him insanely valuable. Say the Eagles do win the SB with a strong performance from Foles... you could gamble that he is enough to keep you plenty competitive next season, and see if, say Cleveland would give up both those firsts this year and maybe one next year for Wentz, and throw in a 2 or 3 besides. Or what would the Jets, who have never had a truly franchise QB since Namath and who play in the world's biggest media market, be willing to pay for a guy who has proved he is the real deal? QBs are basically equivalent to that one guy who can totally by himself dominate the court - the LeBrons of the world - and it's conceivable a team desperate enough would be willing to give you the sun, moon, and stars for Wentz, all the draft picks basically. You could re-stock your team for years to come, find a new QB to develop, all because you have a safety valve in Foles.

Mind you, I would not do this, but it is an interesting thought question. I think I'd at least want to know what could be had.

I wrote this before the SB last year and well some asshole has to be the first to start it so it might as well be me. I am an asshole after all!

If they do run the table with Foles under center, and especially if they win a playoff game, I really don’t think it’s entirely nuts to at least kick the tires on this, except that Wentz would probably be worth less this offseason than last and there isn’t a team sitting there like the Browns with a crazy boatload of picks.

But at the same time, let’s go full hypothetical here and imagine that Foles does the seemingly impossible and COMPLETELY runs the table and they win another SB and he is the MVP AGAIN. At that point you’d have a really hard time arguing he shouldn’t be the starter here.

A problem to deal with in the one in a zillion chance it happens, I know, but again an interesting thought question.

If Foles wins us another Super Bowl, you have to just keep both on the roster and wait for Wentz to get injured next year and Foles to step in again as the closer.

If Foles wins us another Super Bowl and both are on the roster next year and Wentz is healthy, starting, and having a year similar to this year then around week 12 somebody in Philly is going to go all Tonya Harding on him.

No matter what Foles and the Eagles do, they're not going to win in New Orleans in the postseason. Stop the madness. It's also likely the Eagles don't even make the playoffs, Foles leaves in free agency, and a healthy Wentz leads the Eagles back to the postseason in 2019.

Unless Wentz's back is degenerative and/or he dies in the next three months, Foles is not on the roster in 2019

SwingOnThis wrote:No matter what Foles and the Eagles do, they're not going to win in New Orleans in the postseason. Stop the madness. It's also likely the Eagles don't even make the playoffs, Foles leaves in free agency, and a healthy Wentz leads the Eagles back to the postseason in 2019.

Unless Brees gets hurt on the first play of the game, then we have some intrigue

is this guy real life

I’m sorry, but I’ll take Foles.