when checking to see exactly how bad ruf and goeddel and bourjos have been, couldn't help noticing prince fielder at the absolute bottom of the fwar list. he's bit over $100 million into his contract and has been good for 7.6 rwar and 7.3 fwar so far, which means that the contract is about $50 million in the red so far... with 4.8 seasons and $116 milion still to come.

given what has become of him and pujols, my contract rule number one has been re-inforced: never, ever, ever pay top dollar for a 1b slugger. (rule number 2 is the same thing applied to closers).

Joey Votto is having an off year, too

phorever wrote:when checking to see exactly how bad ruf and goeddel and bourjos have been, couldn't help noticing prince fielder at the absolute bottom of the fwar list. he's bit over $100 million into his contract and has been good for 7.6 rwar and 7.3 fwar so far, which means that the contract is about $50 million in the red so far... with 4.8 seasons and $116 milion still to come.

given what has become of him and pujols, my contract rule number one has been re-inforced: never, ever, ever pay top dollar for a 1b slugger. (rule number 2 is the same thing applied to closers).

A closer who slugs is a rarity though might want to pay top dollar for that

phorever wrote:when checking to see exactly how bad ruf and goeddel and bourjos have been, couldn't help noticing prince fielder at the absolute bottom of the fwar list. he's bit over $100 million into his contract and has been good for 7.6 rwar and 7.3 fwar so far, which means that the contract is about $50 million in the red so far... with 4.8 seasons and $116 milion still to come.

given what has become of him and pujols, my contract rule number one has been re-inforced: never, ever, ever pay top dollar for a 1b slugger. (rule number 2 is the same thing applied to closers).

Yes, as bad as Howard's contract is, Fielder and Pujols and Adrian Gonzalez all signed LONGER contracts at about the same time.

Stripes wrote:

phorever wrote:when checking to see exactly how bad ruf and goeddel and bourjos have been, couldn't help noticing prince fielder at the absolute bottom of the fwar list. he's bit over $100 million into his contract and has been good for 7.6 rwar and 7.3 fwar so far, which means that the contract is about $50 million in the red so far... with 4.8 seasons and $116 milion still to come.

given what has become of him and pujols, my contract rule number one has been re-inforced: never, ever, ever pay top dollar for a 1b slugger. (rule number 2 is the same thing applied to closers).

Yes, as bad as Howard's contract is, Fielder and Pujols and Adrian Gonzalez all signed LONGER contracts at about the same time.

Big difference being, of course, that Pujols and Gonzalez actually produced something resembling appropriate value over the first 3-4 years of those contracts. I think the only real lesson is don't sign players to contracts of over five years. People will continue to do it, though.

swishnicholson wrote: don't sign players to contracts of over five years. People will continue to do it, though.

That about sums it up. It's absurd to sign ANYONE to a 7-10 year contract. In professional sports where injury age and decline are so unpredictable, how can you bet on anyone for a decade.

It's easy in retrospect to see that the Phils could have just kept paying him the least amount they had to until he was a full FA and then just move on. I think about Trout over in Anaheim. Guy is a local. Team is shambles and has a lot of big contracts. I'd give Franco and a package for him. But then would you have to sign him to a 10 year deal? 5 no problem. But --

As noted elsewhere, Carl Crawford was DFA'd by the Dodgers. I see varying figures, but basically owed over half his $21 million remaining from this year and all of the $21 million plus for next year. Still trying to imagine the logic that went into that contract for a 31 year old outfielder coming off two sub-par and abbreviated seasons.

Read (or listen to) this:

http://smile.amazon.com/Best-Team-Money ... ey+can+buy

swishnicholson wrote:As noted elsewhere, Carl Crawford was DFA'd by the Dodgers. I see varying figures, but basically owed over half his $21 million remaining from this year and all of the $21 million plus for next year. Still trying to imagine the logic that went into that contract for a 31 year old outfielder coming off two sub-par and abbreviated seasons.

Wasn't it a 7-year-deal signed after his age-29 season? The Dodgers traded for that contract.

Certainly whoever signed him didn't listen to me I fought with half of you over his deal/worth, relative to Jayson Werth, back then.

Shore wrote:

swishnicholson wrote:As noted elsewhere, Carl Crawford was DFA'd by the Dodgers. I see varying figures, but basically owed over half his $21 million remaining from this year and all of the $21 million plus for next year. Still trying to imagine the logic that went into that contract for a 31 year old outfielder coming off two sub-par and abbreviated seasons.

Wasn't it a 7-year-deal signed after his age-29 season? The Dodgers traded for that contract.

Certainly whoever signed him didn't listen to me I fought with half of you over his deal/worth, relative to Jayson Werth, back then.

Or right, right, it was the Red Sox who originally made the deal. Don't remember where I stood. I was probably too busy campaigning for Chone Figgins to pay much attention.

swishnicholson wrote:...Chone Figgins....

laffed aloud & I'm not ashamed

Homer Bailey rhp
6 years/$105M (2014-19), plus 2020 option

6 years/$105M (2014-19), plus 2020 mutual option
signed extension with Cincinnati 2/19/14 (avoided arbitration, $11.6M-$8.7M)
14:$9M, 15:$10M, 16:$18M, 17:$19M, 18:$21M, 19:$23M, 20:$25M mutual option ($5M buyout)

dear god

philliesphhan wrote:Homer Bailey rhp
6 years/$105M (2014-19), plus 2020 option

6 years/$105M (2014-19), plus 2020 mutual option
signed extension with Cincinnati 2/19/14 (avoided arbitration, $11.6M-$8.7M)
14:$9M, 15:$10M, 16:$18M, 17:$19M, 18:$21M, 19:$23M, 20:$25M mutual option ($5M buyout)

That's just absurd. Whatever possessed Cincy to do that? He was OK in 12 and 13, but nowhere near worthy of those figures.

what are his numbers now

His ERA+ is 18. He's appeared in 8 games since 2015.

Cost certainty!

Uncle Milty wrote:

Bucky wrote:what are his numbers now

Bad!

Stinky bad.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ho02.shtml

$110m / 5 Years (2016 - 2020)
signed by Detroit Tigers on 11/29/2015 (Free Agent)
2016: $18M, 2017: $18M, 2018: $24M, 2019: $25M, 2020: $25M

He has an ERA+ of 80 over the last two years. lol.

Who? What?