Not The Ryan Howard Fiasco

Re: Not The Ryan Howard Fiasco

Postby Grotewold » Wed May 08, 2013 11:39:48

Eem wrote:Howard's current ISO is the highest it's been since 2009, fwiw


And that's with a lot of warning-track and wall outs. They could demonstrate reduced power, of course, but the overall stats seem to belie that

Eyeballing it he looks stronger in the legs than he's been in a long time. Thought he looked like garbage on the bases earlier in the year, but not as bad anymore. Maybe shook off some rust.

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Re: Not The Ryan Howard Fiasco

Postby mcare89 » Wed May 08, 2013 21:41:11

bleh wrote:The Angels have $105.5 million committed to Hamilton, Pujols, Weaver, C.J. Wilson and Eric Aybar... in 2016.

Well, good thing they don't have to sign Trout until 2017 then. Expert planning!

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Re: Not The Ryan Howard Fiasco

Postby joe table » Wed May 08, 2013 21:51:44

Grotewold wrote:
Eem wrote:Howard's current ISO is the highest it's been since 2009, fwiw


And that's with a lot of warning-track and wall outs. They could demonstrate reduced power, of course, but the overall stats seem to belie that

Eyeballing it he looks stronger in the legs than he's been in a long time. Thought he looked like garbage on the bases earlier in the year, but not as bad anymore. Maybe shook off some rust.


The HR last night was impressive. He was a bit off balance but still got it through the seagulls in CF (where not many balls get out, despite the 395 fence)

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Re: Not The Ryan Howard Fiasco

Postby phdave » Fri Jul 05, 2013 20:27:04

B.J. Upton cf
5 years/$75.25M (2013-17)

5 years/$75.25M (2013-17)
signed by Atlanta as a free agent 11/28/12
$3M signing bonus
13:$12.45M, 14:13.45M, 15:$14.45M, 16:$15.45M, 17:$16.45M
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Re: Not The Ryan Howard Fiasco

Postby ReadingPhilly » Wed Jul 10, 2013 20:34:29

Starlin Castro ss
7 years/$60M (2013-19), plus 2020 option

signed extension with Chicago Cubs 8/28/12
$6M signing bonus
13:$5M, 14:$5M, 15:$6M, 16:$7M, 17:$9M, 18:$10M, 19:$11M, 20:$16M club option ($1M buyout)


he's not making absurd money the next few years, but he's been god awful since signing this deal. .101 iso, 3.9% bb rate, 62 wrc+, .266 woba, -1.4 war this year.

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Re: Not The Ryan Howard Fiasco

Postby Trent Steele » Mon Jul 22, 2013 14:21:57

NOT THE WORST!! No. 3!!!

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2013-ant ... contracts/

Under Team Control Through 2017: $25M, $25M, $25M, $10M buyout

You’ve probably read enough about the Ryan Howard contract by now. It’s been a running joke for years, and is probably going to go down as one of the least productive contracts in sports history. While other deals have turned bad after getting signed, this is maybe the last contract to be an obvious disaster from the minute of conception, and given the increasing education of baseball executives, it might be the last of its breed.

The good news is that the end is in sight. While it’s an utter waste of almost the entire $85 million, it will only limit the Phillies for three more seasons, plus the buyout cost in 2017. Howard is unlikely to provide much value during the remaining years on the deal, but those years are ticking away, and he won’t hamstring the franchise for that much longer.

Estimated Cost to Trade: $70 million
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Re: Not The Ryan Howard Fiasco

Postby Trent Steele » Mon Jul 22, 2013 14:23:24

Rodriguez and Howard combine for about $156 million in dead money. Basically, the Pujols contract is as toxic as the next two worst contracts in baseball put together.
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Re: Not The Ryan Howard Fiasco

Postby pacino » Mon Jul 22, 2013 14:30:29

love that list.

pro tip: don't sign an aging first baseman. ever.
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Re: Not The Ryan Howard Fiasco

Postby phdave » Mon Jul 22, 2013 14:32:57

If the Phillies only didn't sign Howard they could have signed Pujols, Fielder or Hamilton.
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Re: Not The Ryan Howard Fiasco

Postby Trent Steele » Mon Jul 22, 2013 14:33:11

Michael Young and Delmon Young both have higher wOBAs than Pujols

RUBE!!
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Re: Not The Ryan Howard Fiasco

Postby Grotewold » Mon Jul 22, 2013 14:35:03

Trent Steele wrote:Michael Young and Delmon Young both have higher wOBAs than Pujols


jfc

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Re: Not The Ryan Howard Fiasco

Postby Soren » Mon Jul 22, 2013 14:39:12

Pujols basically died.
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Re: Not The Ryan Howard Fiasco

Postby pacino » Mon Jul 22, 2013 14:43:11

he has 18 double plays already!!!
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Re: Not The Ryan Howard Fiasco

Postby Trent Steele » Mon Jul 22, 2013 14:45:44

pacino wrote:he has 18 double plays already!!!


would put him 11th most on the Phils
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Re: Not The Ryan Howard Fiasco

Postby phdave » Mon Jul 22, 2013 15:09:32

Trent Steele wrote:
pacino wrote:he has 18 double plays already!!!


would put him 11th most on the Phils


I know this was an attempt at a joke but:

Code: Select all
Michael Young   17
Ben Revere   10
Erik Kratz   9
Delmon Young   7
Ryan Howard   6
Chase Utley    6
Jimmy Rollins 6
John Mayberry   5
Carlos Ruiz   5
Kevin Frandsen   4
Freddy Galvis   3
Humberto Quintero   3
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Re: Not The Ryan Howard Fiasco

Postby pacino » Mon Jul 22, 2013 15:37:00

michael young, folks
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Re: Not The Ryan Howard Fiasco

Postby smitty » Mon Jul 22, 2013 15:41:39

9 GIDPs from the backup catcher is pretty eye opening.

Damn Kratz!

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Re: Not The Ryan Howard Fiasco

Postby swishnicholson » Mon Jul 22, 2013 15:45:55

Poor old Vernon Wells doesn't even manage a mention anymore despite putting up a 78 OPS+ this year and being owed $21 million this year and next. Oh, well, everyone has their day I guess.
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Re: Not The Ryan Howard Fiasco

Postby Bucky » Mon Jul 22, 2013 15:47:15

is hitting into DPs considered more luck-based or skill-based? i.e. is it a repeatable talent???

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Re: Not The Ryan Howard Fiasco

Postby Soren » Mon Jul 22, 2013 15:52:07

Bucky wrote:is hitting into DPs considered more luck-based or skill-based? i.e. is it a repeatable talent???


hitting the ball hard/consistently putting the ball in play are both skills. Pujols has been near the top of the league in GIDP most of his career.
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