Tanking Is Bad and LeBron Is Good: A Sixers/LeBron Thread

Re: Tanking Is Bad and LeBron Is Good: A Sixers/LeBron Threa

Postby Shore » Wed Jul 09, 2014 13:51:14

azrider wrote:The only thing I've seen of saric is on YouTube... So I'm far from a knowledgable source. However, what is really encouraging about him is his performance in eurocup. Most euro busts at his age don't get the minutes he did and perform as well as he did. Most eurobusts perform well in the under 18 leagues and in weaker euro leagues, but when it comes time for eurocup, they can barely get off the bench.


That's encouraging. I don't know the history of eurobusts or eurocup very well.

I'm concerned about his strength if he has to play the 4, and his lateral quickness if he has to play the 3. He gets props for his handle, but he looks so awkward to me (again, on youtube) that I don't see it being a plus in the NBA. His release looks slow, and I don't like his shot, which, again, concerns the hell out of me. His passing (the highlights, at least) looks fantastic. I love the elbows he throws, and I love the enthusiasm, even if he can't dance a lick. But he seems, to me, like a tweener. He won't survive (or want to be) down low, and he can't defend, or shoot, from the perimeter.

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Re: Tanking Is Bad and LeBron Is Good: A Sixers/LeBron Threa

Postby azrider » Wed Jul 09, 2014 14:36:04

Shore wrote:
azrider wrote:The only thing I've seen of saric is on YouTube... So I'm far from a knowledgable source. However, what is really encouraging about him is his performance in eurocup. Most euro busts at his age don't get the minutes he did and perform as well as he did. Most eurobusts perform well in the under 18 leagues and in weaker euro leagues, but when it comes time for eurocup, they can barely get off the bench.


That's encouraging. I don't know the history of eurobusts or eurocup very well.

I'm concerned about his strength if he has to play the 4, and his lateral quickness if he has to play the 3. He gets props for his handle, but he looks so awkward to me (again, on youtube) that I don't see it being a plus in the NBA. His release looks slow, and I don't like his shot, which, again, concerns the hell out of me. His passing (the highlights, at least) looks fantastic. I love the elbows he throws, and I love the enthusiasm, even if he can't dance a lick. But he seems, to me, like a tweener. He won't survive (or want to be) down low, and he can't defend, or shoot, from the perimeter.


I have much of the same concerns... I've been trying to find a comparison, but can't. He looks to be a stretch 4 with his current skill set. If he develops his outside shot from decent to very good he can play the 3, specifically with embiid and or Noel patrolling the paint. Don't want to beat a dead horse... I would much rather have the elite shooting skill set that McDermott brings to the table.

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Re: Tanking Is Bad and LeBron Is Good: A Sixers/LeBron Threa

Postby Shore » Wed Jul 09, 2014 14:41:16

azrider wrote:
Shore wrote:
azrider wrote:The only thing I've seen of saric is on YouTube... So I'm far from a knowledgable source. However, what is really encouraging about him is his performance in eurocup. Most euro busts at his age don't get the minutes he did and perform as well as he did. Most eurobusts perform well in the under 18 leagues and in weaker euro leagues, but when it comes time for eurocup, they can barely get off the bench.


That's encouraging. I don't know the history of eurobusts or eurocup very well.

I'm concerned about his strength if he has to play the 4, and his lateral quickness if he has to play the 3. He gets props for his handle, but he looks so awkward to me (again, on youtube) that I don't see it being a plus in the NBA. His release looks slow, and I don't like his shot, which, again, concerns the hell out of me. His passing (the highlights, at least) looks fantastic. I love the elbows he throws, and I love the enthusiasm, even if he can't dance a lick. But he seems, to me, like a tweener. He won't survive (or want to be) down low, and he can't defend, or shoot, from the perimeter.


I have much of the same concerns... I've been trying to find a comparison, but can't. He looks to be a stretch 4 with his current skill set. If he develops his outside shot from decent to very good he can play the 3, specifically with embiid and or Noel patrolling the paint. Don't want to beat a dead horse... I would much rather have the elite shooting skill set that McDermott brings to the table.


As would I, but I get Hinkie not wanting immediate improvement.

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Re: Tanking Is Bad and LeBron Is Good: A Sixers/LeBron Threa

Postby Napalm » Wed Jul 09, 2014 14:48:22

all i heard tv heads talk about during the draft was stretch 4 this stretch 4 that. this is the direction the nba has/is going in and it looks to be something saric can do well, so i won't get too hung out on pigeon holing him in some traditional 3/4 spot just yet. the game is evolving

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Re: Tanking Is Bad and LeBron Is Good: A Sixers/LeBron Threa

Postby td11 » Wed Jul 09, 2014 14:56:19

stretch 4 lyfe
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Re: Tanking Is Bad and LeBron Is Good: A Sixers/LeBron Threa

Postby azrider » Wed Jul 09, 2014 15:00:04

Me personally, I believe in positions defensively but not offensively. Offensively I only believe in roles.

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Re: Tanking Is Bad and LeBron Is Good: A Sixers/LeBron Threa

Postby jamiethekiller » Wed Jul 09, 2014 15:00:57

STRETCH?!

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Re: Tanking Is Bad and LeBron Is Good: A Sixers/LeBron Threa

Postby Shore » Wed Jul 09, 2014 15:02:07

Napalm wrote:all i heard tv heads talk about during the draft was stretch 4 this stretch 4 that. this is the direction the nba has/is going in and it looks to be something saric can do well, so i won't get too hung out on pigeon holing him in some traditional 3/4 spot just yet. the game is evolving


Why does it look like he can do it well? I'm not in love with his shot, and wherever you put him on offense, he still has to guard someone, a 3 or a 4 or another "stretch 4". My concern is that he's not a good enough shooter, nor defender. He's a "stench 4".

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Re: Tanking Is Bad and LeBron Is Good: A Sixers/LeBron Threa

Postby joe table » Wed Jul 09, 2014 15:20:02

his 3 ball shooting has supposedly been improving

being effective "stretch 4" isn't strictly whether you can hit an open jumper though. thad still can't really hit 3s but he is a tough matchup as a stretch 4 because he can face up, force his defender to come play him away from the basket, and take guys off the dribble (from the elbow or FT extended)

Saric doesn't appear to have that same sort of first step but can definitely handle the ball. he also showed enough skill and confidence to shoot stepbacks off the dribble in his hit take. so the idea would be to make his guy come out 20 feet from the basket and either stay in front of a Saric, who can drive in a straight line with both hands, OR defend a P&R (and Saric could plausibly be a better P&R ballhandler than Thad with his floor vision).

If Saric can be a threat as a P&R ballhandler that opens up a lot of options. I'm thinking specifically plays where a guard is setting the screen for him, which would make it difficult for the player guarding the screener (MCW or McDaniels or whoever) if they have to switch the screen
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Re: Tanking Is Bad and LeBron Is Good: A Sixers/LeBron Threa

Postby azrider » Wed Jul 09, 2014 15:22:18

Right now his success looks to be in transition and possessing enough of an outside shot that needs to be respected to beat a 4 that is guarding him off the dribble. I do like him much better after I have seen more stuff from him over the past week but he does need to improve. He is only 20 it is not out of the realm of possibility that he can improve in various areas. As an overall player I believe he has a higher ceiling than McDermott but I wouldn't bet money on him achieving it though.

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Re: Tanking Is Bad and LeBron Is Good: A Sixers/LeBron Threa

Postby PhillyPhan » Wed Jul 09, 2014 16:17:18

Starting to look like a good bet that we'll soon be involved in two deals shortly.

Melo is reportedly heading back to NYC and they will need to dump salary to bring anyone else in and Bosh has been in constant contact with Houston today. It's looking more and more like Lebron is headed back to Cleveland. Gasol has been talking with OKC but they don't think they get him. They thinks he's likely headed to NYC with Melo and Jackson.

I'm hoping for two deals for us...

Houston - Lin, New Orleans 2015 #1 and D-Mo or Capella
New York - Stoudamire, New York #1 2018 and Tim Hardaway Jr.
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Re: Tanking Is Bad and LeBron Is Good: A Sixers/LeBron Threa

Postby WilliamC » Wed Jul 09, 2014 16:27:31

I really, really wouldn't want to give up Hardaway if I was Jackson. He's explosive as heck and I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up a top 5 3pt shooter in the league. Hope like crazy that happens though.
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Re: Tanking Is Bad and LeBron Is Good: A Sixers/LeBron Threa

Postby ReadingPhilly » Wed Jul 09, 2014 16:27:39

No way should they help the Knicks out.

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Re: Tanking Is Bad and LeBron Is Good: A Sixers/LeBron Threa

Postby Ace Rothstein » Wed Jul 09, 2014 16:32:48

ReadingPhilly wrote:No way should they help the Knicks out.

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Re: Tanking Is Bad and LeBron Is Good: A Sixers/LeBron Threa

Postby WilliamC » Wed Jul 09, 2014 16:37:04

The Knicks still wouldn't be that good and all their money would be tied up during a lot wild offseasons. How much help would them going from 37 to 45 wins be when the help is allowing them to get a dying Gasol?
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Re: Tanking Is Bad and LeBron Is Good: A Sixers/LeBron Threa

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Jul 09, 2014 16:42:35

yeah, I think the Knicks will just plan to be mediocre next year and wait until they have buckets of cap space next offseason

20 million would be a lot to pay for Hardaway and a 2018 pick
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Re: Tanking Is Bad and LeBron Is Good: A Sixers/LeBron Threa

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Jul 09, 2014 16:42:56

excuse me, 23.5 million

lol knicks

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Re: Tanking Is Bad and LeBron Is Good: A Sixers/LeBron Threa

Postby PhillyPhan » Wed Jul 09, 2014 16:51:06

Houshphandzadeh wrote:yeah, I think the Knicks will just plan to be mediocre next year and wait until they have buckets of cap space next offseason

20 million would be a lot to pay for Hardaway and a 2018 pick


Right so why not take their money and run. Their assets for money is a win win deal for the sixers.
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Re: Tanking Is Bad and LeBron Is Good: A Sixers/LeBron Threa

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Jul 09, 2014 16:59:54

who knows what will happen, but I think the Knicks don't do it because that cap space hardly helps them get any better this season and Hardaway is their only decent controllable young player

I think the Sixers don't do it because that's a ton of cap space for a future pick and an ok player. if you do that and the Lin deal, you almost used up all your maneuverability to make any future deals of that kind

imo jff

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