Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Dec 21, 2016 13:11:42

youseff - his approval rating already did go up. people approve of the fake Carrier deal. it's happening.


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2. It's pretty clear given his cabinet appointments, especially his secretary of labor, that his solution to competition from China is to make it possible to create Chinese-like factory conditions here--low wages, and no health and safety requirements.

He literally said during the campaign that wages were too high. People chose not to take him literally or seriously.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby JFLNYC » Wed Dec 21, 2016 13:28:56

Since there were two scandals a day during his campaign and he won, you'd have to be naive enough to believe the American masses are well-informed, truth-seeking, intelligent voters who are going to wise up to him.

This little colloquy began on the subject of propaganda and its effectiveness. If there's one thing we learned (or should have learned) from this election is that between Trump, his surrogates, the conservative and alt right media, social media and the Russians, there has never in history been more untrue, non-factual and dangerous propaganda than exists today.

The worst thing anyone who stands against Trump can do is to underestimate him and the propoganda which supports him. Anyone who believes the masses will see through his con and the propoganda surrounding him anytime soon either hasn't been paying attention or probably believes in the tooth fairy.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby thephan » Wed Dec 21, 2016 13:29:28

I got onto reading the NPR article about Trump news of the day, and man...

Corey Lewandowski — Donald Trump's former campaign manager who remained part of his inner circle long after leaving that job — had just opened a “full service government relations and consulting firm” half a block from the White House.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby Phred » Wed Dec 21, 2016 13:34:43

I don't see how any Dem can ever win another election. The fake news and propaganda machine will kick up and start trashing any candidate years before they even start to run for office.

It has already started in on Ellison.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby Youseff » Wed Dec 21, 2016 13:39:31

one thing he can count on is that Dems are generally craven cowards. propaganda is a lot more effective when you assume it will be effective the moment it comes out of his surrogates mouths.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Dec 21, 2016 13:40:41

The worst thing anyone who stands against Trump can do is to underestimate him and the propoganda which supports him.

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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby 06hawkalum » Wed Dec 21, 2016 13:40:51

Phred wrote:I don't see how any Dem can ever win another election. The fake news and propaganda machine will kick up and start trashing any candidate years before they even start to run for office.

It has already started in on Ellison.


That is total nonsense.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby JFLNYC » Wed Dec 21, 2016 13:43:32

pacino wrote:youseff - his approval rating already did go up. people approve of the fake Carrier deal. it's happening.


Since the election RCP Poll averages show Trump's favorability up about 6% and unfavorable rating down about 8%. However astounding and distressing many of us may feel about his cabinet appointments, the Russian hacking revelations and anything else connected with our President-elect since his election, more people view him favorably and fewer unfavorably than they did on Election Day.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Dec 21, 2016 13:49:48

the carrier stuff polls well for him. The Russian stuff has become partisan in the minds of the voters.

the one thing that seems to be getting through is that he's not draining the swamp. hammer him on his obvious ties to Wall st.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby Youseff » Wed Dec 21, 2016 13:57:15

pacino wrote:
The worst thing anyone who stands against Trump can do is to underestimate him and the propoganda which supports him.

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no one is underestimating how deceitful he is or how stupid the American public is. what you're underestimating is unpopular he already is, how his consistent scandals will effect public perception, and how much he'll fail in the court of public opinion.

a separate conversation is how effective he'll be. he'll be pretty effective, unfortunately.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby Youseff » Wed Dec 21, 2016 13:58:14

pacino wrote:the carrier stuff polls well for him. The Russian stuff has become partisan in the minds of the voters.

the one thing that seems to be getting through is that he's not draining the swamp. hammer him on his obvious ties to Wall st.


the Russian stuff is not universally viewed as partisan.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Dec 21, 2016 14:03:36

i highlighted yesterday how unpopular he is. You have to do something with it. he can be as unpopular as he wants for the next two years and still gut everything we hold dear. it doesn't matter. people with time to waste were wasting time on a recount instead of going after a Louisiana senate seat. Dems need to use it to regain state control and rebuild for 2018/2020. Acting like it's just going to happen without some action is dangerous. Perhaps you're not suggesting that, but you left it out of your responses to JFLNYC.

The first thing that needs to be done is downplaying the importance of the DNC chair...simply because both of the major two candidates are perfectly fine and either would help but they don't really do much to shape ideology like seems to be the current idea. They figure out how to spread money around; whoever does that better should be elected. It's also not really our say, unless you're in a local party (my wife is now so she gets a vote!).

Wasting precious energy on BS like going back and forth on the DNC chair instead of forcing their legislators to oppose in Congress is one of the first things many Dems/liberals are doing completely wrong.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby drsmooth » Wed Dec 21, 2016 14:09:51

JFLNYC wrote:You're probably right that the more they see of him, the more people will distrust and dislike him. He'll never get nominated, let alone elected.


exactly. Just as I said from the beginning






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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Dec 21, 2016 14:17:01

Harry Reid just said he was 'duped' on Iraq and his biggest regret was his vote to authorize the war.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby Youseff » Wed Dec 21, 2016 14:51:17

what a loser.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Dec 21, 2016 14:52:34

you'll miss him when you watch Chuck Schumer in action
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby JUburton » Wed Dec 21, 2016 14:58:17

how do we feel about the obama arctic executive action? bad precedent? acceptable given the current climate, no pun intended?

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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby Youseff » Wed Dec 21, 2016 15:24:24

Nately gaped at him in undisguised befuddlement. “Now I really don’t understand what you’re saying. You talk like a madman.”

“But I live like a sane one. I was a fascist when Mussolini was on top, and I an an anti-fascist now that he has been deposed. I was fanatically pro-German when the Germans were here to protect us against the Americans, and now that the Americans are here to protect us against the Germans I am fanatically pro-American. I can assure you, my outraged young friend” – the old man’s knowing, disdainful eyes shown even more effervescently as Nately’s stuttering dismay increased
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Dec 21, 2016 15:42:36

pacino wrote:i highlighted yesterday how unpopular he is. You have to do something with it. he can be as unpopular as he wants for the next two years and still gut everything we hold dear. it doesn't matter. people with time to waste were wasting time on a recount instead of going after a Louisiana senate seat. Dems need to use it to regain state control and rebuild for 2018/2020. Acting like it's just going to happen without some action is dangerous. Perhaps you're not suggesting that, but you left it out of your responses to JFLNYC.

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Wasting precious energy on BS like going back and forth on the DNC chair instead of forcing their legislators to oppose in Congress is one of the first things many Dems/liberals are doing completely wrong.


It would be a good idea if we could figure out a way to identify strong progressive candidates in various state legislative elections and use social networking to channel small contributions their way. There really is no reason why progressives can't use a Tea Party strategy to win these elections. Remember, a big reason why we are where we are is because Republicans run state legislatures all over the county. They use that power to make voting more difficult, thus cementing those victories. The DNC could be setting something like this up--it would not take a ton of resources to do it.

And there are progressive issues like raising the minimum wage that are popular regardless of the prevailing ideology--even Arkansas voted to raise its minimum wage a couple of years ago.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby CFP » Wed Dec 21, 2016 16:03:24

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