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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby td11 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 23:49:50

Paul Ryan will be ignoring the reckless words of their president elect in whose name hundreds of hate crimes have already been committed so that they can focus on fixing the country (by gutting healthcare)
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Dec 06, 2016 23:52:14

drsmooth wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:He's trying to walk through a minefield to pass tax reform and healthcare reform. He will be ignoring all tweets until these things are either done or it's clear they cannot be done.


& then he'll grow principles. Ah, yes, it all makes sense now, thanks

I think he has determined that he's willing to forego all principles in things other than actual policy in order to keep Trump happy and on his side so he can accomplish his top policy priorities. It may lead to the destruction of the republic. And the bills he wants might not actually pass. But he is choosing strategies off of a list that lacks a good option.

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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Dec 07, 2016 00:00:09

Army Corps of Engineers Had Actually Recommended Dakota Access Pipeline Route Approval - denied by an Obama appointee instead. One imagines will be approved under Mr. Trump.

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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Dec 07, 2016 01:30:58

Hillary won 7 of the 14 districts held by CA GOP members of Congress. And after the election, the GOP holds...14 of them. Kinda wild.

Although on one hand we're seeing historic levels of non-ticket splitting with no Sen seats going in the opposite direction of the Presidential race, we're seeing so many other indications that there was a lot of ticket splitting at local levels. You look at Trump and Toomey winning PA by similar amounts and you assume it's the same, but Toomey outperformed Trump yuge in the Philly region, and Trump made it up in the rest of the state. Just sorta evened out overall.

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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby drsmooth » Wed Dec 07, 2016 02:06:56

jerseyhoya wrote:But he is choosing strategies off of a list that lacks a good option.



You mean since he has insufficient principles....

I want to subscribe to Lawrence O'Donnell's notion that come the 21st of Jan. Ryan will have drumph's tiny balls in his hands, & so could theoretically preserve, & who knows, maybe even reinvigorate the Republic.

& then I 'm confronted with that iconic image of the backwards-ballcapped (then) Speaker-to-be working his barbell curls, and I weep anew
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby thephan » Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:53:23

Softbank $50B investment...


From a fund that Mr. Masayoshi Son is setting up, which sounds like it is primarily using Saudi investments. So he is managing a hedge fund with a US focus. Not a huge risk for him personally while playing with other people's money.

Taiwan's FoxCon looking at expanding its US footprint.


After Taiwan successfully getting a call through to (any US official whatsoever) Trump. Pay to play dare I say?
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby Youseff » Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:55:34

it's beyond obvious Ryan is tucking his dick between his legs until he gets things done, but it should help destroy any notion that he's a good or principled human being.
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby Youseff » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:12:58

On Monday, New Jersey Republican Gov. Chris Christie vetoed a bill that would have strictly limited the state’s use of solitary confinement. Had the bill passed, state prisons would have been barred from placing vulnerable populations—including pregnant women, children, seniors, LGBTQ people, and those with mental illnesses—in solitary.
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby Youseff » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:46:10

GOP trying to bankrupt NYC and divert our police force from doing their normal duties

Two days after Mayor de Blasio formally asked President Obama and Congress for up to $35 million in federal restitution for security outside traffic-snarled White House North, Congressional Republicans indicated that they are interested in fronting only a small percentage of the City's ask. A stopgap federal spending bill introduced Tuesday night includes $7 million for overtime incurred by state and local law enforcement between the November 8th election and President-elect Trump's January 20th inauguration.

"New York City taxpayers should not be on the hook for 80 percent of the national bill to protect our President-elect and his family's residence," the mayor said in a statement Wednesday. "We are counting on Congress to step up in the coming months to pay back what it owes our city. This is a national responsibility and the burden cannot fall alone on our city and police department."

The cost of protecting Trump, a known homebody, has been estimated at about $1 million a day (though Mayor de Blasio's $35 million ask comes to $500,000 per day).
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby JFLNYC » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:56:32

Cancel order!
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby JFLNYC » Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:20:55

Discussing Trump on “60 Minutes,” [Ryan] had a manner that was borderline coquettish. He said that Trump, with his tweets, was “basically giving voice to a lot of people who have felt that they were voiceless.”

Sometimes, yes. But many times, Trump is giving a green light to kooks and the finger to the dignity that Americans rightly expect of a president and that Ryan should demand of him.

Ryan is sacrificing too much for too little, and it’s time he rummaged through his wobbly endoskeleton and made fresh acquaintance with his spine. Until that happens, this sadly groveling Boy Scout will be lost in the woods.


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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby thephan » Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:34:25

JFLNYC wrote:Cancel order!


I missed that one in the catalog. Boeing president says, 'free and fair trade' in an article, then Trump tweets to cancel the order?!? Now there is no $4B order, but there is a $190M design task order, What will it cost in the end, no one knows because it is not specified. Who approved the task order? Congress, right? So $4B is likely too high for 2 planes, and $190M is far too low (a naked 747-8 costs $357M, so unmodified that is a sticker price of 0.7B for 2).

Maybe there are some old Eastern Air Shuttles somewhere that could be refurbished to carry POTUS.
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby JFLNYC » Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:39:29

I meant "Cancel Order!" for the extra NYC police protection for Trump if the Pubs don't want to pay for it.
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby drsmooth » Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:42:13

re: Time making drumpf its Person of the Year:

I dunno, I don't know him, I need to see his birth certificate
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby Werthless » Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:50:20

Youseff wrote:it's beyond obvious Ryan is tucking his dick between his legs until he gets things done, but it should help destroy any notion that he's a good or principled human being.

That's kinda weird, youseff. He is certainly not the first person to subvert his personal dislike for a politician in order to get his policies enacted. If it was another context, and you agreed with the politician's policy, your reaction would likely be different.

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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby Brantt » Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:55:49

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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby GrizzledVeteran » Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:57:49

Youseff wrote:
On Monday, New Jersey Republican Gov. Chris Christie vetoed a bill that would have strictly limited the state’s use of solitary confinement. Had the bill passed, state prisons would have been barred from placing vulnerable populations—including pregnant women, children, seniors, LGBTQ people, and those with mental illnesses—in solitary.


His approval rating is down to 19 percent, lowest of any governor since Quinnipiac started polling.
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby JFLNYC » Wed Dec 07, 2016 13:00:21

They couldn't find a chair in better shape than that?
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby pacino » Wed Dec 07, 2016 13:02:31

Stupid 6 week abortion ban bill is at Kasich's desk. He better veto it. It's simply not constitutional as written.
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Re: ( Politics) Trump transition:working with no intelligenc

Postby Youseff » Wed Dec 07, 2016 13:06:38

Werthless wrote:
Youseff wrote:it's beyond obvious Ryan is tucking his dick between his legs until he gets things done, but it should help destroy any notion that he's a good or principled human being.

That's kinda weird, youseff. He is certainly not the first person to subvert his personal dislike for a politician in order to get his policies enacted. If it was another context, and you agreed with the politician's policy, your reaction would likely be different.


I don't think I've ever stood up for a politician rationalizing something as heinous as Trump lying and spreading Alex Jones conspiracies on a platform that reaches 100s of millions of people, so no.
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