Werthless wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

Werthless wrote:Wilson was awful. Treaty of versailles, indirectly leading to ww2. Sedition Act so he could jail political opponents. Instituted segregation across the administration workforce. Hard to argue he should be 21 spots above Chester Arthur, whose wiki page provides a good overview of his presidency... unexciting, but highly regarded by his contemporaries.

I'm with you that Wilson was a pretty odd duck. But Clemenceau et al weren't goinng to do anything particularly more brilliant with post WWI Europe and colonies, so many hands contributed to continuation of the Long War.The other stuff, yeah, not highlights of his resume.


so, that's one guy. Does your correlation rely so heavily on the skew of this one mis-ranked POTUS?

The Presidents that were in office during times of great conflict and/or pushed the boundaries of their constitutional powers are all at the top of the list. Lincoln, civil war. FDR, with his New Deal + court packing scheme + price fixing, near the top. Jefferson with his Louisiana Purchase. Wilson, WWI. Jackson with his trail of Tears. Harry Truman dropping bombs. Eisenhower, Korean War. JFK, Cuban Missile crisis. They are all in the top third, basically, for pushing aside the Constitution and/or being President in time of crisis, whether they handled the crisis well or not (eg. JFK). George W. Bush is one of the exceptions, as he is near the bottom of the list.

I like some of the above Presidents, so I'm not arguing that Lincoln shouldn't be near the top, or Jefferson. I'm mainly pointing out that's the dimension that many people use to rank the Presidents, and it wasn't necessarily deliberate. Historians should have the perspective to properly recognize good Presidents who avoided conflict, respected the limitations on the executive office, and contributed to the long-term development of the country. I gave Chester Arthur some props, since he is the Rodney Dangerfield of the Presidents.

pacino wrote:in an unrelated note, Eric Trump is set to announce Trump Wall, a construction company that specializes in border walls.

pacino wrote:

Werthless wrote:

JUburton wrote:I assume everyone's seen this by now but Pentagon hid $125 billion in wasted spending. Well they found they could cut $25b/yr for the next 5 years as it was largely administrative spending.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investig ... e2fe88e6c8

Cat nip for Trump.

he wants to cut spending everywhere except the military, where he wants to increase it.

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

pacino wrote:

Werthless wrote:

JUburton wrote:I assume everyone's seen this by now but Pentagon hid $125 billion in wasted spending. Well they found they could cut $25b/yr for the next 5 years as it was largely administrative spending.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investig ... e2fe88e6c8

Cat nip for Trump.

he wants to cut spending everywhere except the military, where he wants to increase it.

Except this money would be a great way for him to "increase" spending on defense while not actually increasing the Pentagon's budget. It's a big opportunity for him.

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

pacino wrote:

Werthless wrote:

JUburton wrote:I assume everyone's seen this by now but Pentagon hid $125 billion in wasted spending. Well they found they could cut $25b/yr for the next 5 years as it was largely administrative spending.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investig ... e2fe88e6c8

Cat nip for Trump.

he wants to cut spending everywhere except the military, where he wants to increase it.

Except this money would be a great way for him to "increase" spending on defense while not actually increasing the Pentagon's budget. It's a big opportunity for him.

Werthless wrote:Exactly. He'll be able to have his cake while eating it, too, while getting to complain about the waste in government.

Unfortunately for him, he doesn't trust the Washington Post, so he may not come across this.

pacino wrote:in an unrelated note, Eric Trump is set to announce Trump Wall, a construction company that specializes in border walls.

Werthless wrote:

pacino wrote:in an unrelated note, Eric Trump is set to announce Trump Wall, a construction company that specializes in border walls.

I searched for "Eric Trump Wall" and didnt find anything. On the first page of results, I did find an earlier "scandal" that had somehow escaped my attention:

Eric Trump seen with lemonade in free water cup at In-N-Out Burger

CalvinBall wrote:down with boeing!

pacino wrote:

Werthless wrote:

pacino wrote:in an unrelated note, Eric Trump is set to announce Trump Wall, a construction company that specializes in border walls.

I searched for "Eric Trump Wall" and didnt find anything. On the first page of results, I did find an earlier "scandal" that had somehow escaped my attention:

Eric Trump seen with lemonade in free water cup at In-N-Out Burger

i was just joking, i thought it was so obvious no one would take it seriously. i guess i can't assume that anymore with the conflicts of interest that actually are occurring.

pacino wrote:

Werthless wrote:

pacino wrote:in an unrelated note, Eric Trump is set to announce Trump Wall, a construction company that specializes in border walls.

I searched for "Eric Trump Wall" and didnt find anything. On the first page of results, I did find an earlier "scandal" that had somehow escaped my attention:

Eric Trump seen with lemonade in free water cup at In-N-Out Burger

i was just joking, i thought it was so obvious no one would take it seriously. i guess i can't assume that anymore with the conflicts of interest that actually are occurring.

pacino wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:down with boeing!

yeah, he'll probably want to get his old ass plane outfitted and then charge us for it

this must've been a segment on Fox and Friends with morning