The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Polar Bear Phan » Fri Nov 18, 2016 02:28:08

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CalvinBall wrote:I'm not even sure what is interesting about that map. BO had about a 490k advantage on Romney. Clinton did about 460.

That was about what they had hope for and expected.

I think it's interesting that even with the citywide dropoff in 16 vs. 12 margin, Dems got significant improvement in both margin and turnout in Center City and a few other outposts, while there were massive swings to Trump in other areas. Even if the overall vote didn't shift by a ton, there were things moving in different directions at more local levels.


Also, that Trump did noticeably better with blacks and Hispanics (although, they lack obvious representation in these maps) than expected.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Fri Nov 18, 2016 07:44:28

I actually think the Trump attack of saying "What has voting for dems got you" was pretty good.

Hope it's not used again
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Grotewold » Fri Nov 18, 2016 08:10:33

I met several black Trump voters in New Orleans. Life is complimicated

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby thephan » Fri Nov 18, 2016 08:16:38

Man, Sean Spiecer is slimy. I guess he is between a rock and a hard place, but he is shameless. Defending Trump's overnight tweet storm about him taking credit for keeping jobs in America (ps would have kept them in America if they went to Mexico, but that is just a DJT knowledge gap) by Ford shifting production to Kentucky. There are no new jobs, nor were there any jobs departing as agreed to with the UAW for that plant in like 2011. Ford refuted that the jobs were on the block, but they did put out there own confusing statement wedging in Trump's name.

Then there was a discussion about Flynn and the investigations of him mishandling classified. Two investigations, no actions. Sounds familiar.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby CalvinBall » Fri Nov 18, 2016 08:26:10

Jeff sessions named AG. Gtfo

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Fri Nov 18, 2016 08:36:12

Jeff Sessions is a racist. He will be succeeding Loretta Lynch.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Fri Nov 18, 2016 08:40:47

Your new attorney general (this was written in 2002):
Sessions was U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Alabama. The year before his nomination to federal court, he had unsuccessfully prosecuted three civil rights workers--including Albert Turner, a former aide to Martin Luther King Jr.--on a tenuous case of voter fraud. The three had been working in the "Black Belt" counties of Alabama, which, after years of voting white, had begun to swing toward black candidates as voter registration drives brought in more black voters. Sessions's focus on these counties to the exclusion of others caused an uproar among civil rights leaders, especially after hours of interrogating black absentee voters produced only 14 allegedly tampered ballots out of more than 1.7 million cast in the state in the 1984 election. The activists, known as the Marion Three, were acquitted in four hours and became a cause c?l?bre. Civil rights groups charged that Sessions had been looking for voter fraud in the black community and overlooking the same violations among whites, at least partly to help reelect his friend Senator Denton.

On its own, the case might not have been enough to stain Sessions with the taint of racism, but there was more. Senate Democrats tracked down a career Justice Department employee named J. Gerald Hebert, who testified, albeit reluctantly, that in a conversation between the two men Sessions had labeled the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) "un-American" and "Communist-inspired." Hebert said Sessions had claimed these groups "forced civil rights down the throats of people." In his confirmation hearings, Sessions sealed his own fate by saying such groups could be construed as "un-American" when "they involve themselves in promoting un-American positions" in foreign policy. Hebert testified that the young lawyer tended to "pop off" on such topics regularly, noting that Sessions had called a white civil rights lawyer a "disgrace to his race" for litigating voting rights cases. Sessions acknowledged making many of the statements attributed to him but claimed that most of the time he had been joking, saying he was sometimes "loose with [his] tongue." He further admitted to calling the Voting Rights Act of 1965 a "piece of intrusive legislation," a phrase he stood behind even in his confirmation hearings.

It got worse. Another damaging witness--a black former assistant U.S. Attorney in Alabama named Thomas Figures--testified that, during a 1981 murder investigation involving the Ku Klux Klan, Sessions was heard by several colleagues commenting that he "used to think they [the Klan] were OK" until he found out some of them were "pot smokers." Sessions claimed the comment was clearly said in jest. Figures didn't see it that way. Sessions, he said, had called him "boy" and, after overhearing him chastise a secretary, warned him to "be careful what you say to white folks." Figures echoed Hebert's claims, saying he too had heard Sessions call various civil rights organizations, including the National Council of Churches and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, "un-American." Sessions denied the accusations but again admitted to frequently joking in an off-color sort of way. In his defense, he said he was not a racist, pointing out that his children went to integrated schools and that he had shared a hotel room with a black attorney several times.


And yet, despite his record as U.S. Attorney, attorney general of Alabama, and senator, Sessions has never received criticism from conservatives or from the leadership of the Republican Party. President Bush even campaigned for him in the last election. It's true, of course, that Sessions isn't in a leadership position, like Lott. But, if conservatives are serious about ending the perception that the GOP tolerates racism, they should look into his record as well. After all, if Noonan and friends are really "tired of being embarrassed" by this kind of racial insensitivity, they can't just start yelling once the news hits the stands.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Fri Nov 18, 2016 08:43:40

the liberals over at Reason.com aren't big fans of his. Wonder how the states who've legalized marijuana will be treated by the DEA now.

he's for cruel and unusual punishment

Sen. Jeff Sessions (Ala.)

Sessions's office provided a copy of his floor speech, from which this excerpt was taken.

"People who are responsible for misbehavior are being held to account. If I thought our military was not responding well, I would be very concerned. . . . I am dubious, for complex technical reasons, of the amendment that has been offered . . . because I am not sure it makes good legal sense to have a law that is a moving law, it seems to me, that complies with the Army regulations. . . . A statute is supposed to be permanent. As a lawyer, I am troubled by that. I don't think this is a necessary action."

That was from 2005 when our military MOST DEFINITELY was not responding well.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby PSUsarge » Fri Nov 18, 2016 08:44:23

Grotewold wrote:I met several black Trump voters in New Orleans. Life is complimicated
Re: this and some other similar posts in this thread, it's clear that, despite Trump's views, clearly there were more important issues on voters minds than race, gender, etc. - mainly jobs and healthcare.

Hillary based her entire campaign off of the former, Trump the latter.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby drsmooth » Fri Nov 18, 2016 08:52:19

PSUsarge wrote: it's clear that, despite Trump's views, clearly there were more important issues on voters minds than race, gender, etc. - mainly jobs and healthcare.


"jobs and healthcare" may have been on some part of drumpf voters, but not their minds, because their minds would have said loudly to them "this guy is completely full of shit".

listen to interviews with people who insist that since Obamacare the cost of their health insurance coverage has doubled - ask them if they bought their coverage on the exchange, they say "no" - or even more telling, " I don't know". YOU DON'T KNOW? THEN WHY IS YOUR MOUTH OPEN EMITTING WORD-SHAPED NOISE ABOUT YOUR HEALTH COVERAGE COSTS AND OBAMACARE?
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby PSUsarge » Fri Nov 18, 2016 08:55:15

You won't find any argument from me on that, especially on the whole "we're bringing back manufacturing and steel, believe me!" bullshit. Those people are in for a major letdown.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Fri Nov 18, 2016 08:56:43

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby thephan » Fri Nov 18, 2016 09:01:52

So here is the deal... we found the deplorables and they are up for cabinet positions.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby thephan » Fri Nov 18, 2016 09:02:33

Mike Pompeo for CIA director. Who? On intel committee. From Kansas. Rubio supporter. Tea Partier.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby drsmooth » Fri Nov 18, 2016 09:03:02

not sure I know what I'm seeing in that chart
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Fri Nov 18, 2016 09:08:28

The last time Republicans had this much power was 1928. we're going to see what they're made of here.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby JUburton » Fri Nov 18, 2016 09:09:01

guys, sessions has to get confirmed. still a chance!

(probably a low one)

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Fri Nov 18, 2016 09:10:00

JUburton wrote:guys, sessions has to get confirmed. still a chance!

(probably a low one)

former senators tend to get deference :q
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby drsmooth » Fri Nov 18, 2016 09:13:30

pacino wrote:
JUburton wrote:guys, sessions has to get confirmed. still a chance!

(probably a low one)

former senators tend to get deference :q


hearings may provide some awkward soundbites on Sessions' history
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby JUburton » Fri Nov 18, 2016 09:13:55

pacino wrote:
JUburton wrote:guys, sessions has to get confirmed. still a chance!

(probably a low one)

former senators tend to get deference :q
#draintheswamp

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