CalvinBall wrote:

pacino wrote:new Reuters poll shows Johnson/Stein totaling only 9%. good sign

she's basically neutral as far as favorability goes and he's still negative 14.

and up 4 in the four way. hoping for a two to three point bump in most of the polls to get some breathing room. relieve my nerves a bit.

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

threecount wrote:Former GOP Senator John Warner of Virginia, who is still very popular in the state, will endorse Hillary Clinton tomorrow night at a Tim Kaine rally.

"Very popular" might be a significant understatement. Other than his initial election in 1978, the only challenger who came within 40 points of him was Mark Warner in 1996... who obviously enjoyed the unique benefit of having the same last name as his opponent, creating a ton of confusion for underinformed voters during a Presidential election (Bob Dole took Virginia over Clinton and Perot 47-45-6). Even then, John Warner still outperformed Dole and won by 5 points.

There is not a single person in Virginia who will say a bad thing about John Warner, and he is extremely well-respected among senior citizens. This is a huge endorsement for Clinton.

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:....she finally gave a concise, accountable, apologetic answer on Monday night when she hadn't done anything of the sort in the past (even if she was arguably accountable, it was always couched in way too much lawyerly equivocating)....

CalvinBall wrote:

pacino wrote:new Reuters poll shows Johnson/Stein totaling only 9%. good sign

she's basically neutral as far as favorability goes and he's still negative 14.

and up 4 in the four way. hoping for a two to three point bump in most of the polls to get some breathing room. relieve my nerves a bit.

JUburton wrote:guys its gonna be ok.

1. despite varying debate expectations (trump must stand still for 90 minutes and hillary must say the gettysburg address while juggling chainsaws), remember this is the first time we have ever see these candidates together. the stark difference between the two of them will be abundantly clear.
2. i am convinced undecideds are asymmetric. this group isn't 50/50 hillary/trump. there is probably a strong neverhillary contingent who is trump/johnson/home but probably a stronger nevertrump one that is hillary/johnson/home and trump's abhorent nature will push them to the logical choice
3. the electoral map and underlying demographics still skew democratic
4. public polling is...not that good

lethal wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

threecount wrote:Former GOP Senator John Warner of Virginia, who is still very popular in the state, will endorse Hillary Clinton tomorrow night at a Tim Kaine rally.

"Very popular" might be a significant understatement. Other than his initial election in 1978, the only challenger who came within 40 points of him was Mark Warner in 1996... who obviously enjoyed the unique benefit of having the same last name as his opponent, creating a ton of confusion for underinformed voters during a Presidential election (Bob Dole took Virginia over Clinton and Perot 47-45-6). Even then, John Warner still outperformed Dole and won by 5 points.

There is not a single person in Virginia who will say a bad thing about John Warner, and he is extremely well-respected among senior citizens. This is a huge endorsement for Clinton.

Elizabeth Taylor's 7th husband. Which could make him the step-great uncle of Paris Hilton. Does it work that way with multiple marriages by many parties?

CalvinBall wrote:

The Dude wrote:no. should i?

yeah. let me know how it is so i can decide if i should watch it.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/the-choice-2016/

CalvinBall wrote:

pacino wrote:new Reuters poll shows Johnson/Stein totaling only 9%. good sign

she's basically neutral as far as favorability goes and he's still negative 14.

and up 4 in the four way. hoping for a two to three point bump in most of the polls to get some breathing room. relieve my nerves a bit.

CalvinBall wrote:anyone watch the frontline special last night about trump and clinton?

JUburton wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:

pacino wrote:new Reuters poll shows Johnson/Stein totaling only 9%. good sign

she's basically neutral as far as favorability goes and he's still negative 14.

and up 4 in the four way. hoping for a two to three point bump in most of the polls to get some breathing room. relieve my nerves a bit.

JUburton wrote:guys its gonna be ok.

1. despite varying debate expectations (trump must stand still for 90 minutes and hillary must say the gettysburg address while juggling chainsaws), remember this is the first time we have ever see these candidates together. the stark difference between the two of them will be abundantly clear.
2. i am convinced undecideds are asymmetric. this group isn't 50/50 hillary/trump. there is probably a strong neverhillary contingent who is trump/johnson/home but probably a stronger nevertrump one that is hillary/johnson/home and trump's abhorent nature will push them to the logical choice
3. the electoral map and underlying demographics still skew democratic
4. public polling is...not that good

told you guys!

jerseyhoya wrote:

JUburton wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:

pacino wrote:new Reuters poll shows Johnson/Stein totaling only 9%. good sign

she's basically neutral as far as favorability goes and he's still negative 14.

and up 4 in the four way. hoping for a two to three point bump in most of the polls to get some breathing room. relieve my nerves a bit.

JUburton wrote:guys its gonna be ok.

1. despite varying debate expectations (trump must stand still for 90 minutes and hillary must say the gettysburg address while juggling chainsaws), remember this is the first time we have ever see these candidates together. the stark difference between the two of them will be abundantly clear.
2. i am convinced undecideds are asymmetric. this group isn't 50/50 hillary/trump. there is probably a strong neverhillary contingent who is trump/johnson/home but probably a stronger nevertrump one that is hillary/johnson/home and trump's abhorent nature will push them to the logical choice
3. the electoral map and underlying demographics still skew democratic
4. public polling is...not that good

told you guys!

That poll is from before the debate, and it's really really not a good poll.

drsmooth wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:....she finally gave a concise, accountable, apologetic answer on Monday night when she hadn't done anything of the sort in the past (even if she was arguably accountable, it was always couched in way too much lawyerly equivocating)....

I probably pay more attention to this crap than is healthy, but HRC apologized for her email decision approximately 7,328,442 different ways, at different lengths, in different tones of voice over the past few months. So "finally gave"? no.

She gave, and gave, and gave these answers, in an assortment of frames, & did it again Monday.

BuzzFeed News
@BuzzFeedNews
Eric Trump: It Took “Courage” For My Dad To Not Mention Bill Clinton’s Infidelity
https://www.buzzfeed.com/christophermassie/eric-trump-it-took-courage-for-my-dad-to-not-mention-bill-cl

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:....she finally gave a concise, accountable, apologetic answer on Monday night when she hadn't done anything of the sort in the past (even if she was arguably accountable, it was always couched in way too much lawyerly equivocating)....

I probably pay more attention to this crap than is healthy, but HRC apologized for her email decision approximately 7,328,442 different ways, at different lengths, in different tones of voice over the past few months. So "finally gave"? no.

She gave, and gave, and gave these answers, in an assortment of frames, & did it again Monday.

I challenge you to find a single public statement where she said "I’m not going to make any excuses. It was a mistake, and I take responsibility for that." She certainly didn't do it at the DNC, which was the last time that she had a captive national audience.

You read the start of my statement, then ignored the rest where I said that she always watered down those previous statements with lawyerly equivocations.

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:I think I hate the sons more than the father at this point.

BuzzFeed News
@BuzzFeedNews
Eric Trump: It Took “Courage” For My Dad To Not Mention Bill Clinton’s Infidelity
https://www.buzzfeed.com/christophermassie/eric-trump-it-took-courage-for-my-dad-to-not-mention-bill-cl

JUburton wrote:@kurteichenwald
I have another big Trump story dropping tomorrow with new, explosive information. In @Newsweek.

hmm

CalvinBall wrote:the last one was a thing for like 40 minutes