Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby JUburton » Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:20:41

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jerseyhoya wrote:I have a #take on these fake Internet polls that show Trump winning that he's touting, getting people upset due to spreading misinformation - I think it's fantastic. Trump seems to search for any sort of validation, and grabs onto it for dear life. He has surrounded himself with sycophants who are desperate to keep him happy at the expense of telling him news he should hear. He is probably dumb enough not to really know the difference between the CNN poll and the Drudge poll. He is so #$!&@ lazy and incurious that he will take any excuse possible to have the same level of limited to no preparation for the next debate - after all, it worked this time! He is so insulated in his only going on FOX shows and even then only going on the 2-3 that are still consistently nice to him that an outside bursting of this bubble seems unlikely. And so he will go into the next debate as outgunned as he was yesterday.

I totally agree with all of this. I was worried that his performance would be seen as so bad that he'd actually work for the next one--much like his campaign was such a trainwreck after the RNC that he actually listened to his professional advisers for a while.

I think you're right that we'll see basically the same Trump next time around.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/29/us/po ... .html?_r=1

Maybe not. Who knows. I think he'd do better in a town hall but I'm not certain.

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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:29:32

JUburton wrote:
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jerseyhoya wrote:I have a #take on these fake Internet polls that show Trump winning that he's touting, getting people upset due to spreading misinformation - I think it's fantastic. Trump seems to search for any sort of validation, and grabs onto it for dear life. He has surrounded himself with sycophants who are desperate to keep him happy at the expense of telling him news he should hear. He is probably dumb enough not to really know the difference between the CNN poll and the Drudge poll. He is so #$!&@ lazy and incurious that he will take any excuse possible to have the same level of limited to no preparation for the next debate - after all, it worked this time! He is so insulated in his only going on FOX shows and even then only going on the 2-3 that are still consistently nice to him that an outside bursting of this bubble seems unlikely. And so he will go into the next debate as outgunned as he was yesterday.

I totally agree with all of this. I was worried that his performance would be seen as so bad that he'd actually work for the next one--much like his campaign was such a trainwreck after the RNC that he actually listened to his professional advisers for a while.

I think you're right that we'll see basically the same Trump next time around.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/29/us/po ... .html?_r=1

Maybe not. Who knows. I think he'd do better in a town hall but I'm not certain.

NY Times wrote:Campaign advisers to Donald J. Trump, concerned that his focus and objectives had dissolved during the first presidential debate on Monday, plan to more rigorously prepare him for his next face-off with Hillary Clinton by drilling the Republican nominee on crucial answers, facts and counterattacks, and by coaching him on ways to whack Mrs. Clinton on issues even if he is not asked about them.

Whether he is open to practicing meticulously is a major concern, however, according to some of these advisers and others close to Mr. Trump.


They planned to have him prepare last time too. Everyone plans to have The Donald prepare and work for things, but he has shown for decades that he doesn't have the attention span for it. That he hires other people to do the hard work that requires patience and persistence (e.g., the real writer of "The Art of the Deal," which Trump spent basically no time on). I have no concern whatsoever that he'll take a new approach this time when he thinks he did just fine or that any problems were caused by his microphone or Lester Holt.

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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby pacino » Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:31:42

might just be hoping they get some good 'why did you kill people in benghazi with your bare hands' questions in the 2nd and a bunch of email questions in the 3rd from Chris Wallace

i would assume he'll try to just continuously attack her from now on.
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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby JFLNYC » Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:35:38

Yeah, he's incapable of serious debate prep. But he did poke at certain of Hillary's vulnerabilities n the first debate (e.g., trade, being part of the establishment for so long), so I wouldn't be surprised at all for him to come into the next debate with a bullet point list of perceived HRC vulnerabilities (email server, Benghazi, Clinton Foundation, etc.) and just keep hammering away at those limited number of points. That he's capable of doing.
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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby pacino » Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:37:43

i gave her an answer about the 'establishment' thing (CHIP and children's defense fund). hope she reads the board!


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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby traderdave » Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:41:19

It really does not matter how much they prep him for the debate and/or how much he studies because there will inevitably come a point during the 90 minutes that he will not be able to save himself from his own smugness. It is a near certainty that we get a "wrong, wrong" or "that's called good business" or his eye rolls or all the ticks and tells that he simply cannot control. He is easily baited and Clinton (who I thought did a nice job overall) played him like a fiddle Monday night and there is little reason to think that she will not be able to do it again. She just needs to stay on point, focus on the issues and stay out of the mud and I think she'll be fine. I am still not excited to be voting for her but at least I know I will be voting for someone who has a better than 50/50 chance of being a decent president.

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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:42:54

pacino wrote:might just be hoping they get some good 'why did you kill people in benghazi with your bare hands' questions in the 2nd and a bunch of email questions in the 3rd from Chris Wallace

That's a good point about the email questions in the second/third debate. I was confused as to why she finally gave a concise, accountable, apologetic answer on Monday night when she hadn't done anything of the sort in the past (even if she was arguably accountable, it was always couched in way too much lawyerly equivocating). Now I think she did it so that when it inevitably comes up from Chris Wallace or the Town Hall attendees, she can say something like "As I said when this question was asked in the first debate..." then repeat that same answer and pivot to avoid any strong followup.

I'm still pissed at her camp for letting this molehill become a mountain by how reticent and closed-off they were in dealing with it. The first rule of PR is to get out ahead of the scandal.

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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:47:25

pacino wrote:might just be hoping they get some good 'why did you kill people in benghazi with your bare hands' questions in the 2nd and a bunch of email questions in the 3rd from Chris Wallace

i would assume he'll try to just continuously attack her from now on.


it seemed like he remembered one thing from whatever little practice he did. the line about super predators was so forced into an answer. he clearly doesn't know how to weave in any nuance or flow into his speech.

i think he basically did a tom mccarthy and said "speaking of, you called black men super predators, didnt you??"

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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby Doll Is Mine » Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:30:16

And the funny thing is Clinton did a good job of not responding to him because she knew his attention span is so short, he'd be onto the next topic soon. And it worked. She did it all night.

Trump gets you when he provokes you enough to respond to him like so many of the Republicans did, and they ended up just getting in the mud with him.

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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:47:59

The Anti-Defamation League just declared our least-favorite cartoon frog to be a hate symbol.

http://time.com/4510849/pepe-the-frog-adl-hate-symbol/

Cue the Donald Jr. retweets.

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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:01:05

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pacino wrote:you're getting into the 'HIllary has brain cancer' territory. He's just not very smart.


speaking of which Howard Dean is even trying to defend his coke comment about Trump, incredibly disappointing to see him stoop to the same level



I think Trump was better able to control himself earlier in his life. His speech has changed. He's not as focused.

But maybe it's because he's talking about topics he doesn't know anything about. Earlier things I've seen of his are more about topics he probably knows. So fair enough.
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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby The Dude » Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:02:23

yeah, he's always been unfocused and a bad speaker. check out the piece his biographer wrote about him
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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby Slowhand » Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:07:15

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Monkeyboy wrote:Does anyone else wonder if Trump's rambling speech and inability to control himself might be early signs of alzheimers? Seriously, he reminds me of some really old people I have known. He can't complete a thought without going off on some tangent and he's losing control of his aggressiveness. He's 70 years old.


He's always talked like this... he just usually avoided speaking on issues that weren't in his wheelhouse.


Yeah, I remember reading an article posted by someone here with the author of Trump's "Art Of The Deal". He said one of the most frustrating things was Trump's complete inability to concentrate on one thing for more than a minute or two, and his tendency to go off on tangents.
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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:09:22

anyone watch the frontline special last night about trump and clinton?

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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby The Dude » Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:09:54

no. should i?
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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:10:10

The Dude wrote:yeah, he's always been unfocused and a bad speaker. check out the piece his biographer wrote about him



Interesting. ok, i'll try to check it out
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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:11:07

The Dude wrote:no. should i?



yeah. let me know how it is so i can decide if i should watch it.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/the-choice-2016/

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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby pacino » Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:26:32

new Reuters poll shows Johnson/Stein totaling only 9%. good sign

she's basically neutral as far as favorability goes and he's still negative 14.
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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby Soren » Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:34:15

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:The Anti-Defamation League just declared our least-favorite cartoon frog to be a hate symbol.

http://time.com/4510849/pepe-the-frog-adl-hate-symbol/

Cue the Donald Jr. retweets.



that's...interesting.
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Re: Donald fails the sniff test (politics)

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:35:34

pacino wrote:new Reuters poll shows Johnson/Stein totaling only 9%. good sign

she's basically neutral as far as favorability goes and he's still negative 14.


and up 4 in the four way. hoping for a two to three point bump in most of the polls to get some breathing room. relieve my nerves a bit.

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