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JFLNYC wrote:Putting aside that Johnson is a pothead idiot, how can millennials back a guy who has no desire to address student debt and wants to abolish the EPA?

His answer tonight on college tuition was soooo bad.

For those who missed it, when asked about college tuition and debt, he rambled on about how the govt is to blame for the high tuition rates and that if the govt didn't give student loans, tuition would go down. When Chris Matthews told him that poor kids and most middle class kids need student loans to go to college, how are they supposed to pay for it, he responded "well, not everyone has to go to college."

Ugh. This guy basically wants a society where rich kids get everything and poor kids get screwed.

I mean he's right. If the government didn't make it so easy for people to get loans the schools wouldn't have the certainty to raise tuition so much. The proposal to just blindly pay for people's college without addressing cost would probably just exacerbate it.

The real answer is probably you pass some sort of legislation with the effect of capping what colleges can charge for tuition, but that's probably not very libertarian I guess.

MoBettle wrote:I mean he's right. If the government didn't make it so easy for people to get loans the schools wouldn't have the certainty to raise tuition so much. The proposal to just blindly pay for people's college without addressing cost would probably just exacerbate it.

The real answer is probably you pass some sort of legislation with the effect of capping what colleges can charge for tuition, but that's probably not very libertarian I guess.

I don't know what the answer is but I do know that you don't stop giving kids student loans because you believe in the free market.

My parents weren't poor by any means but they also didn't have an extra $40,000 laying around to send me to school. Even public colleges are pricey these days with the cost of books and commuting, etc. A community college here in NY can cost $5,000 (just tuition) per year. That's insane.

Doll Is Mine wrote:

MoBettle wrote:I mean he's right. If the government didn't make it so easy for people to get loans the schools wouldn't have the certainty to raise tuition so much. The proposal to just blindly pay for people's college without addressing cost would probably just exacerbate it.

The real answer is probably you pass some sort of legislation with the effect of capping what colleges can charge for tuition, but that's probably not very libertarian I guess.

I don't know what the answer is but I do know that you don't stop giving kids student loans because you believe in the free market.

My parents weren't poor by any means but they also didn't have an extra $40,000 laying around to send me to school. Even public colleges are pricey these days with the cost of books and commuting, etc. A community college here in NY can cost $5,000 (just tuition) per year. That's insane.

Community and State Colleges should be free - let all the rest charge as much as they want

JFLNYC wrote:Putting aside that Johnson is a pothead idiot, how can millennials back a guy who has no desire to address student debt and wants to abolish the EPA?

Well, millennials do like potheads

Warszawa wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:

MoBettle wrote:I mean he's right. If the government didn't make it so easy for people to get loans the schools wouldn't have the certainty to raise tuition so much. The proposal to just blindly pay for people's college without addressing cost would probably just exacerbate it.

The real answer is probably you pass some sort of legislation with the effect of capping what colleges can charge for tuition, but that's probably not very libertarian I guess.

I don't know what the answer is but I do know that you don't stop giving kids student loans because you believe in the free market.

My parents weren't poor by any means but they also didn't have an extra $40,000 laying around to send me to school. Even public colleges are pricey these days with the cost of books and commuting, etc. A community college here in NY can cost $5,000 (just tuition) per year. That's insane.

Community and State Colleges should be free - let all the rest charge as much as they want

Agreed.

Doll Is Mine wrote:

MoBettle wrote:I mean he's right. If the government didn't make it so easy for people to get loans the schools wouldn't have the certainty to raise tuition so much. The proposal to just blindly pay for people's college without addressing cost would probably just exacerbate it.

The real answer is probably you pass some sort of legislation with the effect of capping what colleges can charge for tuition, but that's probably not very libertarian I guess.

I don't know what the answer is but I do know that you don't stop giving kids student loans because you believe in the free market.

My parents weren't poor by any means but they also didn't have an extra $40,000 laying around to send me to school. Even public colleges are pricey these days with the cost of books and commuting, etc. A community college here in NY can cost $5,000 (just tuition) per year. That's insane.

Well part of the reason why tuition has skyrocketed is because colleges figured out that they could raise tuition as much as they wanted and they would still get paid with student loan dollars. Just pulling the plugs on loans full stop today would be dumb but you have to at least acknowledge the role it played in making college so unaffordable.

Seamless asked their customers to vote for one of the two candidates when ordering food on Monday. These were the results:

MoBettle wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:

MoBettle wrote:I mean he's right. If the government didn't make it so easy for people to get loans the schools wouldn't have the certainty to raise tuition so much. The proposal to just blindly pay for people's college without addressing cost would probably just exacerbate it.

The real answer is probably you pass some sort of legislation with the effect of capping what colleges can charge for tuition, but that's probably not very libertarian I guess.

I don't know what the answer is but I do know that you don't stop giving kids student loans because you believe in the free market.

My parents weren't poor by any means but they also didn't have an extra $40,000 laying around to send me to school. Even public colleges are pricey these days with the cost of books and commuting, etc. A community college here in NY can cost $5,000 (just tuition) per year. That's insane.

Well part of the reason why tuition has skyrocketed is because colleges figured out that they could raise tuition as much as they wanted and they would still get paid with student loan dollars. Just pulling the plugs on loans full stop today would be dumb but you have to at least acknowledge the role it played in making college so unaffordable.

Exactly right. It's an unholy trinity. The government makes the money easy AND ensures the debt can't be dismissed in bankruptcy, The banks loan money which is guaranteed to be repaid and the colleges charge as much as they want. The result is a generation of students who are, in a very real sense, indentured servants who have mortgaged their future earnings so that colleges and the banks' shareholders can get richer. It's the perfect rental scheme where the banks and colleges literally own your future earnings and you pay rent in order to get back some of those earnings.

Gary Johnson would say we just need to boycott college and then they'd lower the cost. Simple free market, pal.

New PPP poll shows Johnson down to 6, Stein down to 1.

It's a trend.

I am glad to see that the piano man's story is on philly.com, but we need some other instances of Trump jamming the little guy to bubble up so he can show that he is not like the Lanisters and does not pay his debts. More horrifically would be if it could be shown that he leveraged laws to cut down these small business owners because he is "smart".

//I have no proof that a situation like this exists except in dream land where he is exposed as scum//

JASTA may have passed 97-1 but don't worry, 28 senators got the courage to write a letterexpressing their concerns about the bill after they passed it!

I can't believe that no one is talking about the new Newsweek story yet. Apparently Trump's business broke the Cuban embargo, and Trump had full knowledge of it.

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/10/14/donald-trump-cuban-embargo-castro-violated-florida-504059.html

And for the cherry on that sundae, it happened right before he went down to South Florida and addressed Cuban interest groups while trying to drum up support for his 1999 attempt to be the Reform Party POTUS candidate.

That's gonna do wonders for his Florida numbers!

Lock him up.

pacino wrote:Gary Johnson would say we just need to boycott college and then they'd lower the cost. Simple free market, pal.

He could just follow the lead of his favorite foreign leader.

Gimpy wrote:

pacino wrote:Gary Johnson would say we just need to boycott college and then they'd lower the cost. Simple free market, pal.

He could just follow the lead of his favorite foreign leader.

Does Ayn Rand count

If you consider what the candidates are saying, Johnson is more conservative than Trump by any meaningful standard of the conservative.

An occupy Wall Street person who is even considering a vote for Johnson is probably dumber than a typical Trump voter.

apparently the downside to JASTA is the USA might start getting sued for some of their legally gray military operations and our good friends the Sauds might start taking some money out of our economy if lawsuits expose what type of funding took place. Sounds fine, bring it on.